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    Posted: 12/September/2004 at 8:06am
Just wondering some units are suppose to be good for ten thousand hours.  But usually the water pump needs rebuild, blower amy need something and the list goes on.  I know maintainence plays the most important roll in lifespan. Will a  CD outlast a Slide in. I guess that would depend on the type of van and so on.  Guitar
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Biggest thing that shortens TM life is vibration, followed by heat in the vehicle. Since a PTO reduces both those things, the PTO usually lasts much longer and holds its value better. Main reason for short motor life is the 2 cyl motors most use. They cannot compete with a water cooled V-8 motor for either reliabity or lifespan. Some of the highend slideins like the Genesis use a 4 cylinder motor that gives you 15,000 hours and that is close to the CD type unit. The longest lived TM on the market is the Vortex unit. With it's Turbodiesel motor it is good for around 50,000 plus hours.Most of us would wear out long before it did.

 

 

 

 

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Ken:  You seem to forget that ProChem and some other use the Nisan motors which have proven themselves.  The first one I had was in a Performer 800A  back in the late 80s.  It has lots of prwer, cery loud and not alot of heat.  But it became the foundation for some very impressive machines today.  Right after I bought the 800A ProChem came out with the Bearcat which made the 800A worth nothing.  There are still many 800's still working today.  so I believe a slide in will last as long or longer than cd.Guitar
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I know of many CD's that made it to 15,000 hours Doug, and quite a few nissan or ford 4 cylinders that have done the same, but only the vortex will go longer than that. I took the factory tour out in Salt Lake City. It is made to outlast 3 of the next longest lasting TMs.
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Originally posted by Superglide Ken Superglide Ken wrote:

Biggest thing that shortens TM life is vibration, followed by heat in the vehicle. Since a PTO reduces both those things, the PTO usually lasts much longer and holds its value better. Main reason for short motor life is the 2 cyl motors most use. They cannot compete with a water cooled V-8 motor for either reliabity or lifespan. Some of the highend slideins like the Genesis use a 4 cylinder motor that gives you 15,000 hours and that is close to the CD type unit. The longest lived TM on the market is the Vortex unit. With it's Turbodiesel motor it is good for around 50,000 plus hours.Most of us would wear out long before it did.

 

 

 

 

I don't agree.... running off the engine with a PTO is way more costly... it causes undue stress to engine components like tranny and power steering...even the cooling system has trouble keeping the engine cool as your working.  give me a slide in anyday
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give me a michaels porty 450 psi, for $2700.00 
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oh I forgot about alll the berings that go as well... the fuel pump...etc etc etc yes splash give me a porty anyday
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For the GTA, you can do most of your jobs with a porty because of the number of highrises. In the West TMs rule. Can't run a good business without one.

 

Steamer: Where did I talk about cost of operation in my post? I didn't. It is a fact documented by studies on the subject that PTOs have lower operating costs for multi truck chains and franchise operators in total costs. The higher cost of gasoline may change that soon. Slideins are still the best choice for an owner operator that will take care of his units, cause the employees of the bigger chains sure don't. No clear winner on this subject. You just have to look at each situation separatly to see what is best. Like many things in life, there is a lot of gray and not much black and white.

 

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Originally posted by Superglide Ken Superglide Ken wrote:

 Like many things in life, there is a lot of gray and not much black and white.

 

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where is white... and white is a slide-in ... todays slide in is just as easy to operate as any pto... really no difference... I have both 1 pto.. 1 slide-in.... the everyday 2000 rpm kills a pto... a new truck cost 30 thou + unit... after 3-4 years the truck is rubbish
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Originally posted by Superglide Ken Superglide Ken wrote:

Biggest thing that shortens TM life is vibration, followed by heat in the vehicle. Since a PTO reduces both those things, the PTO usually lasts much longer and holds its value better. Main reason for short motor life is the 2 cyl motors most use.

there is that word VALUE.. so see we are talking cost... if you read my post I said it was more COSTLY
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Ken: I have been reading on other boards where people with CD have trannie problems, but I guess you are only considering the actual unit operation costs not the complete van.  What about a major problem like a van out of production.  With a slide in the costs to change to another van is pennies compared to a cd.  Lets face with a cd the van is useless.  with a slide in you can have it in several vans during it's life time  with very few modifications.  Using the Vortex as a comparsion to smaller slide ins with 2 cylinder engines is like comparing a Jetta to a Hummer.  So lets look at apples to apples.Guitar
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Ok Doug. The CD from HM has had problems . Not a good comparisan. Much better to compare the Cleanco to a slidein if you want an apple to apple comparisan. $2000 spent on repair for operation in 8 years of cleaning and still going strong. If you know of a low cost slidein that can do the same, I would like to know about it.
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Ken:  In 8 years you spent no money on the drive train of the van it is installed in? Motor, trannie, etc. Because with a cd it is a complete unit. With the slide in the van operateing costs are not what I call considered the same.  Because a slide in is a slide in  a cd becomes part of.  You are bunching all slide in tm's into one big basket except for the Vortex.  Yet can only find one cd that works. what about all the rest of them.  I think you are reaching for something that is not there.

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Not really Doug. The Butler has the same kind of record. I replaced a Transmission in mine during that 8 years. Cost $1000 for that. But because it is a 92 van and was 4 years old when the unit was installed, that is normal. The chevs average a tranny every 8 years wether a PTO is in them or not.
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