Thought willie should know this

Look parsons,

I could easily provide facts for atleast 1/2 of those you posted that would show the contrary.  It would be a waste of time though.  We all feel differently about the war.

One thing is certian, none of us will ever know for sure, what the facts were.  No member of the administration is going to give the real facts.  Why would they.  Some say we went to war over 9/11, and others say we went to war over oil.  Either one is justifiable.  Throughout history the largest single reason for going to war was for economic reasons.  When a societies economy is held hostage by any issue its people suffer.  That suffering may be on a much lower scale here in the US since our standard of living is so much greater here than most of the world.  But a standard was under attack.  The largest issue with 9/11 was the millions of lives that were changed for the worse because of 9/11.  Jobs lost in the millions, paychecks lowered in the billions, less money spent on carpet cleaning, affecting even the lowest most detached person.  The Marines which I proudly served with from 92-96 are out there making sure millions of lives arent changed for the worse. 

How did they accomplish that, well they saw a problem dictator that was hurting his people, who had lots of cheap oil, and was most importantly right smack dab in the middle of the regoin were these terrorists not only were hiding but multiplying their numbers.  So we set a trap, we attacked this country which was easy for these terrorists to get into, knowing that they would take the bait.  120,000 americans right next to them, they would now come out of hiding, saving us decades of trying to flush them out.  The reason they would come out of hiding is because of all these easy tagets so close to them.  Does it suck for the sodiers, yes, but lets think about this.  In one day the terrorists managed to kill 3000 people and destroy an economy because they got over here.  In 2 years they have cost us 1700 soldiers and no economic damage.   Plus we have killed or captured 100,000 plus possible terrorists, and unfortunatly innocents as well.  Still at least our soldiers have a fighting chance the civilians didnt and wouldnt if they got here again, instead of being distracted by the bait we have put out.

There is political damage for the man who was brave enough to make the hard decision, but atleast he was a man and could make the decision.

Disprove my facts darrel. You can't. FACT is , Bush tried to dupe the world into going to war with him , based on LIES, unless there is a new definition of the word.Might have been the only thing done right here for once, but most of the world saw through Bush's house of cards.

If you would like, I can dig up a whole pile more of Bush's "truth economy", right from the time he was leading Texans down the merry path of bullsh*t.

Then how come

A study by the Lancet( a British medical journal) reveals that the common Iraqi is 58   times more likely to die from violence, than before the invasion( see below)

"The $151.1 billion expenditure for the war through this year could have paid for: close to 23 million housing vouchers; health care for over 27 million uninsured Americans; salaries for nearly 3 million elementary school teachers; 678,200 new fire engines; over 20 million Head Start slots for children; or health care coverage for 82 million children. A leaked memo from the White House to domestic agencies outlines major cuts following the election, including funding for education, Head Start, home ownership, job training, medical research and homeland security."

AND THOSE FIGURES ARE OLD.

How many families in the US have lost a member due to Bush's ambition?

How many innocent Iraqis have died?

Has the price of fuel gone down?

How much does  Bush's war cost the American people?

Is the propaganda that blinding?

First off thanks for using your head for a reply and not shooting the messenger. But think about the indignation and anger felt while my country was verbally pasted time in time out by Bushco because for ONCE my PM made a choice not to blindly follow based on the information available, and not Bush's, um, aw hell- LIES. Definition of lie:

Main Entry: ⁴lie
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English lige, lie, from Old English lyge; akin to Old High German lugI, Old English lEogan to lie
1 a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive b : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker
2 : something that misleads or deceives
3 : a charge of lying

That sums up the reasons for Bush's rush to war and all the mistruths and misrepresentations that went with it.Bush lied. Pure, plain and simple.

"There is a war going on."- Didn't Bush declare it was all over when he "landed" that plane on the deck?

"But it is still in the long run much better for this country and the world as a hole."

Is it? The news I get is there is increasing anger and resentment towards the U.S. because of this. How much did you pay for gas 3 years ago? How much today?Doesn't that have a profound effect on the economy?

My statement in regards to the money , indeed, was old. The funny part was Bush asking for money to help rebuild what he tore down.Yet, while asking(and receiving) hundreds of millions from Canada, Bush said Canadians weren't allowed to help with rebuilding. Must be a liars club only thing.

My final point is that now that Bush has broken ranks with the UN, has broken the Geneva Convention and brought disrespect for the office he holds, whats to stop him from doing or invading anything he pleases , as long as he can dress it up and sell it.By saying it is "justified" to go to war over another countrie's oil , is SCARY. How long before we see our borders invaded over our water supplys?

"War costs lives"- The sad part is the lives were exchanged for propaganda and fibs. If that doesn't create outrage in you, than I'm confused.

To assert that Bush didn't lie is a lie in itself.

Listen Wilie,

there are several things that havent gone the way anyone wanted in this war.  That is what happens in war.  You are forced to adapt to ever changing circumstances.  But make no mistake about it.  This war is a war on terror, and to beat the terrorists you have to out terror them.  The difference is that when you are considered the country on the high moral ground all of a sudden you have to hide the terrible aspects of a war, something that is increasingly hard to do in today's media rich world.  You have to become more brutal than your most brutal enemy in order to win.  Only then will the civilians at home and thier economy be safe...

To kill the monster you must become a monster.  Get it. 

Does the enemy follow the geneva conventions.  I think not.  They would rather politize every beheading they can.  As far as I know, sawing off ones head with a serrated knife on video, and showing that is against the geneva convention.  So if we scare some poor little suspected Terrorist with a growling dog, or make them god forbid stand naked in front of others, or take a dump on a Kuran, I feel we are still on the high ground.  Maybe we are flirting with the edge of the cliff, one I feel we should just jump off anyway, but we should do even more.  The fact is though, that most people dont have the stomach to defend themselves in the way that it has to be done.

holy cow...

Sadam was killing people for 25 years.isnt that long enough?its not about bush, its about the people making iraq free.The troops are whats its all about.

how do you think some troop just home from iraq feels hearing all this crap.if you think making iraq free of sadam is not a good idea, go talk to the 10000's of people(FROM IRAQ) he killed.

oh you cant.there dead.

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