IICRC PRACTICAL COMPONENT

Lee you dissappoint me.  The IICRC can go screw themselves if that's the attitude instilled within the organization.  I asked you valid questions that all of us average joes would like to know and you did sh*t to try and clarify things. 

All mechanics charge a basic rate that is very close to one another and this is not illegal.  And obviously you have not been following gas prices from the moment you have been able to drive.  Is it just a coincidence that all stations go up or down a few cents within hours of each other and you will NEVER find a station giving you a 32 cent deal while the others charge 75 cents?????? 

I simply asked you to explain what the IICRC is doing for the average cleaner and what direction it is headed in.  You say get involved.  Get involved in what? 

I am involved. I USE TO pay my dues. Not anymore.  You must be crazy.  What should I send a letter back in the mail with my once a year bill begging them to allow me to get involved.  Where is the monthly, quarterly, yearly newsletter?  Updates on new chemistry, cleaning techniques, profile of a featured successful business?

Lee KMA you arrogant goat.  I was not bashing.  I was asking NOT DEMANDING.  If you didn't have the answer then you should of just said so.  Don't try and fake the funk by attacking me. 

All you do is bash people and things.

Wrong again.  What you don't want to hurt Steamer's and Doug's feelings.  All they do is bash me and my 3 methods and never want to engage in a discussion about the benefits of these methods.  And then you come into the middle of a thread without reading from the start and take the wrong side.  Like I said, if you do have 6 methods then it is a no brainer as to how you should be responding to them.  You are spineless my friend. 

BY THE WAY, THANKS FOR answering MY QUESTIONS!@

Edited by gmoney

Gmoney:  The IICRC and it's boards and committies have written many guidelines  for cleaning, inspections and the restoration industry.  There are reasons for these guide lines because know if legal action it taken lawyers use the guide lines and if the cleaner or restorer did also, than liability is a different issue.  I am sure if you are charging someone .38 cents a sq. ft. and when they asked you a question and you explained you got your knowledge from  a ccb they would be impresses all to hell I bet.  These guide lines are for people like you who already know all they have to write out an invoice. 

Mr. Steamer: People complain about the cost of classes. I went to the US years ago because the classes where not available here at the time because of lack of interest at the time.  If there was a class you may have to wait forever for it.  With people like Lee these things are slowly changing for the better.  One has to remember that if something is getting done than someone has to be doing it.  Unfortunately the people behind the seens seem to go unnoticed for all their sacrifaces.  Mr. Steamer, you have become a real IICRC cheerleader and I am impressed. Is it safe now for me to mention IICRC, I know at one time it was taboo.

Gmoney I brought back an old topic from page 1 days..  It's called IICRC what have they done for you??? have fun

The IICRC is a guideline producing factory.  I got that one.  I now see the light Steamer. 

Practical training is frowned upon.  Read the manuals, listen to our instructors and go out there and do your best. 

 Ironically my instructor raved about his companies 'natutral and safe' product and its cosmetic grade peroxide content.  Now peroxide has been taken out of their product because it is not safe. Yet other companies continue to use peroxide in their chemicals. And I am paying for this? 

Was I complaining about the price of membership.  No.  Was only asking what that fee included and if there is another organization that others might feel do a better job (since there are many out there).

Doug I am not picking on Lee (as you said in another thread).  I asked a question and he decided to chirp in.  My question was not answered, but then I guess that is an answer in itself.  All I got was just shut and continue taking courses and paying dues, and how dare you try and get an explanation as to the direction they are taking.  And that attempting to construct a pricing structure where WE ALL  getting paid a fair rate for our services is illegal.  

Unfortunately, MOST of us have given in to price fixing:  low ballers and big commercial clients dictate to us what prices should be paid for our services. 

Now for my continuing beef on pricing:

And why is pricing dictated by our clients Steamer?  Because we let them.  If an electrical contractor came in to do work for your commercial client and they said "all we are willilng to pay is ......"  The contractor would then justify the price.  Why don't we do that?  Budgets are just guidelines and not written in stone.  Trust me.

If 6 IICRC cleaners quote a commercial job anywhere from 20-30 cents.  Then that is what the client has to pay.  When a company does it for 10 cents one year, then the client sees that we can be beaten down on price,  Now every year from then on 10 cents is the norm.  Why?  Because  we allowed it. Because as you say companies like Mainline are doing this is; it does not make it right. 

Gmoney... Companies get and collect quotes... I've seen up to 15 companies quote the same job.... The lady showed me the folder and asked if I could do all this other company offered and lower the price..

they keep going till they get everything they want and the price they want to pay...

maybe each guy dropped it just 2 cents to get the job... but 2 cents over 15 contractors thats 30 cents...

Thats why I refuse to give written quotes unless they are committed to clean, and we are setting up an appointment time

Doug and Steamer,

I understand what you are saying and don't even bother with those quotes.  I would love to get involved in a fair bidding war but I refuse to get into it with those companies that bastardize the industry. 

Maybe on those quotes we should be fear mongerers and tell the customer that only IICRC certified techs should be touching their precious carpets.  And if IICRC techs are also lowballing...............then all is lost.

I guess the general consensus is that nothing can be done to change this. Am I correct?