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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote doug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27/June/2005 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by John L John L wrote:

What's this worth?? $1

$0.81 I think?

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79 cents

 

 

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0.814144 USD

 

according to my currency convertor


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IT'S WORTH 1 DOLLAR IN CANADA...LOL
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Actually with the Expo 67 thing on it it may be worth a bit more.
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and where are the Expo"s playing base ball now!

 

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Originally posted by LilNiteRidrhood LilNiteRidrhood wrote:

Actually with the Expo 67 thing on it it may be worth a bit more.

Lee when you look at that dollar you see the Expo.........you are definitely from Montreal with that tunnel vision.

I see our Centennial Year......our country was one hundred years old in that year and I see our now existing flag free from the Union Jack and the Common Wealth.

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Too bad the best years for this country are behind them. Our charter of rights has taken care of the future and left a mess we have to look forward to. Judges now rule the country as a result of them continually interperting the charter to make their own or new laws.
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I have a new customer who is entering our business very enthusiastically with a truckmount and a Jetless Rotary Drimaster Extractor. He is using our DFC (Detergent Free Cleaning) and starting out in his town to promote green and dryer cleaning as his conscience dictates him to do so.

His entire marketing theme will be green. He says every cleaner in his town has old school thinking. We wish him well with his fresh green approach.

Now it is interesting that before he got his government backed finances together to do this they put him through a few hoops. They asked him where he was planning on dumping his dirty water. He indicated because he was using chemical free products that do not harm the environment and have government seals of approval it should not be an issue.

They said "But what about the chemicals you will be extracting from the so called old school thinkers who cleaned it the last time?"

Goes to show you the big eye in the sky is watching.

Kleen Kuip sees this happening and when the crunch comes and our competitors are scrambling for green formulas we will already have them in place.

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Ted

You bring up an interesting point. Because we are registered with Environment Canada and Environmental Choice we get access to all sorts of information. We were asked to attend a conference about 5 months ago on VOC's.

To make a long story short we were the smallest company in attendance. The rest were all multinationals doing billions of dollars. In any event,  the federal Gov was pointing out to everyone how they are going to start putting limits on VOC's that are allowed. As an example we are now forced to report our VOC output here. This includes a calculation on when the bung is removed from a drum to putting X number of pounds into a product and then resealing the drum. VOC's come from so many places including cleaners

The time has come where companies will now be looking at VOC listings on MSD sheets and will be choosing cleaners that meet certain standards as it relates to VOC's aquatic toxicity etc. The change will start with the larger companies and then trickle doen the line.

From my perspective it is a very interesting thing to watch happen. At least i can take comfort in knowing that we can meet these changes happening beyond our control.

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I love these posts all about so called " Green Cleaners ", not to say that I don't approve of the efforts made to promote them ( For a price of course ). No company will promote and generate publicity on a new product, method, or service for the pure fun and enjoyment for it's potential d**k & Jane consumer hanging on to every word as if it was The Bible to life itself.

What I find ironic and a little confusing here is that the very carpet you are trying to clean using " Green Chemicals " contain a host of carcinogens themselves, one of those being " Butadiene ", not to mention the host of potential problems that the inexperienced carpet cleaner can create on his own due to over wetting.

Not wanting to make this post too long and boring, I would just like to know how many of you " Green Carpet Cleaners " out there smoke, drink, take drugs, jog in the middle of rush hour, drink coffee, alchol,...........you get the point.............

My point is toxins are accumulated in the body after 25, 30, and up to 40 years of CRONIC EXPOSURE on a daily basis, unless you're drinking that crap and sniffing it all day as a hobby..............DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT

Now go clean a carpet with some Butyl, and have a nice healthy day.

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Butadiene is carcinogenic in its gaseous state. Having carpet, being exposed to lots of carpet, etc., doesn't qualify as exposure to a known carcinogen. Sure, I guess what you've pointed out is sort of ironic, about as ironic as a natural substance like wood causing a choking hazard while in dust form.

On the green cleaner topic, I use it because it works well, doesn't need to be neutralized, and it's odorless. I'm sure most people out there aren't worried about carpet cleaning chemicals shortening their lives, but many do ask about "chemicals." Although I'm telling the truth when I say what I use is perfectly safe, it goes a lot further when I can truthfully report that a bunch of agencies have formally certified its safety.
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Michael, as far as choking on wood while in a dust form is very common ( IT'S CALLED SAWDUST ) cut some wood and throw some of that sawdust in your mouth and take a deep breath...............you'll quickly change your upper post..........perhaps I read your post all wrong..........but that's what I got out of it.

As far as Butadiene not being dangerous in carpets and or hard plastics because it is not in its gas form is a very uneducated and closed minded statement. There are many factors that alter materials containing " Butadiene " thus releasing the gases into the air, such as heated plastic, deteriorating foam, elevated humitity, poor indoor air quality due to lack of ventilation, etc etc etc..........are all these factors enough to release large amounts of Butadiene to cause harm..............of course not ( only the dose makes the poison ) Jim Darling hates that expression ( that's why I use it often )

My point as being " IRONIC " was made in a comedic sence of the situation.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jim Darling Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/November/2005 at 9:06am

Jack

Welcome back - I have missed your posts. i totoally agree with (and always have) your position that the dose makes the poison. i have used the phrase many times in presentations. because i had never heard of BUTADIENE i did a little search and this is what i came up with..

1,3-Butadiene ranks 36th in the most produced chemicals in the United States. Three billion pounds per year are produced in the United States and 12 billion globally. 1,3-Butadiene is produced through the processing of petroleum and is mainly used in the production of synthetic rubber, but is also found in smaller amounts in plastics and fuel. Exposure to 1,3-Butadiene mainly occurs in the workplace, including the following industries: synthetic elastomer (rubber and latex) production, petroleum refining, secondary lead smelting, water treatment, agricultural fungicides, production of raw material for nylon, and the use of fossil fuels. Exposure can also occur from automobile exhaust; polluted air and water near chemical, plastic or rubber facilities; cigarette smoke; and ingestion of foods that are contaminated from plastic or rubber containers.

From Day 1, our position has always been the same in regards to the dose makes the poison. When homeowners get their carpet cleaned their exposure to the solutions being used is minimal. The exposure that the cleaner gets from using the same solutions all day long is more than minimal. They get the same exposure all day long on every job. 5 days per week, 52 weeks per year. And so this small dose adds up and becomes part of our Body Burden.

For most cleaners, there is usually 1 solution they use that makes them cough, hurts their nose or bothers them in some way. They have become sensitized to this solution and continued exposure to it is not a good thing. 

The real benefit for changing to healthier solutions (apart from the benefit to the cleaner) is the marketing opportunity it affords. Consumers understand these issues very well and it is our experience they will respond in a positive fashion.

I understand that cleaners think they need to use firepower and for most part they will continue to do so. That is their perogative. What is undeniably changing, however, is the clients (right now mostly in the commerical field) whowill not allow the traditional products into their buildings due to the potential long term affects they have. This whole argument may be better suited for the janitorial type trade whose exposure to cleaners is higher.

 Jack - good to see you back - don't be away so long next time

Jim


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