Recoiling over the Recoil

Have you been sniffing glue, or are you naturally that stupid?  

What's any of this got to do with bonnet cleaning?  I thought we were talking about the virtues, or lack thereof, of the Recoil XPS.  You use this with your bonnet cleaning?

The sign of a weak argument is when you make it about the messenger, and not the message.  All the cons of the machine have been detailed and listed, but you don't really touch those, and neither does Ed.  You guys try to make it about people, which is much more subjective.  

I did notice yesterday Ed does have something close to the booster I thought was ideal.  It doubles as a portable, and has a 100 PSI pump.  All good.  But, he just misses because it's only set up to boost CFM, at least according to his website.  

If this could be used in series like his pure booster, this thing would be an extremely attractive product.  It's still not bad, by any means, and neither is his pure booster, but it would be perfect if you could get it all.  I don't know why he removed that feature when going from the booster to the booster/small portable, but I hope he finds a way to add it back.

Grutzy or "Alex" ? Have I seen that name on the TMF before? You joined this forum 

I believe the last time I was teased about my name was in the 8th grade! What

Grutzy wrote: Cross America has suffered some sales woes since the tmforum shootout. Since that time, Locko has critized the Recoil even more when its lack of vacuum power yielded him in a nightmare on a commercial job. Why didn't Locko consider Mr Valentine's sensitive situation before publicizing this information?

If you've followed Mr Cobb's posts on TMF regarding how CFM/lift are related, what is needed, and what the entry/mid level TM's have you'd know Locko's review wasn't much from an engineering stand point.  I'm sure you didn't notice that a critical reply to a Locko post was deleted because it exposed the LACK of engineering knowledge of the reviewers AND the LACK of vacuum knowledge AND the LACK of understanding of HOW and WHY water moves through a hose.  Even a freshman design course teaches MORE isn't the answer to most questions.  Sorry, but, if you can't build a portable that runs on 2 cords AND allows 100'+ hose runs you don't know enough to try an comment on what anyone else is doing.

IOW, you have at best an inquisitive energetic novice (ever notice how he's "improved" many portables only to have problems later?) trying to tell a long term successful builder of a 150' hose run capable portable how to "fix" his design.

Finally, some people seem to have a very hard time understanding you don't build for optimum conditions.  You build for the least optimal conditions.  That ensures you have a long uptime.  Uptime makes money.  The time savings of a more powerful portable isn't nearly as money making as people want to believe.  It is a relationship between uptime, repair costs, and speed.  Get on a high security lock-in job and have your porty go down.  You just lost a $5000 one day contract and have little chance to ever get it back.

TA152H wrote: Hopefully, Ed or Mytee will make one that can be used as a standalone (with a real pump) for small jobs, or upholstery, and be able to use it in series and parallel.  I think this type of unit would sell like crazy, as you'd have many reasons to buy it, and would become seemingly indispensable after getting used to having it.

I believe that is Ed's KS-8.

Grutzy wrote: "Prime the Porty"? What are you referring to? He had problems with weak vacuum power not being able to extract water from the carpet. While Locko is not the expert that some think he is, he certainly has enough common sense to ascertain whether or not his machine is overwetting the carpet.

Go back and READ his post and follow up posts.  His newish techs that HE trained didn't know how to prime the pump on the porty they started using.  His solution wasn't to take a minute to try it himself to see if it was a quick fix or other issue.  His solution was to have them tear down the initial portable and set up the Recoil that was known to have some unsolved issues.

These (for practical purposes) untrained techs could have done an adequate job with the broken Recoil, but, they had (apparently) never been taught how to slow down to compensate for a crippled machine.  Sometimes, a crippled machine is your only option so you might want to consider teaching a tech to check the carpet and keep doing dry passes until it's sufficiently dry.

 Great Post !!
1. Do you think the rear handle is a good design, despite being flimsy and bolting into the water tank, below the water line?
   My Recoil has never left the trailer.
2. Do you like the fact that the waste tank lid does not have a rubber seal to assure proper sealing?
     KISS- put the lid on properly
3. Do you think that the top chambers should be fastened to the bottom half with screws?
  Yes-again KISS
4. Do you think it is a good idea for a modern portable to be missing a water pressure gauge? If so, how do you set accurate pressure levels when changing from carpet cleaning to upholstery cleaning?
   Yes-Gauges are always the first to go ,Return spring will break and gauge will need replaced. I set my external gauge according to carpet conditions then remove from machine.
5. Do you think the exterior booster hose is vulnerable? How do you feel about the restriction caused by the connecting ends in that system?
  Again,have had no need to remove unit from trailer. Only Locko and his cameraman would whine about this.! Jamie was pressured IMOP during this video, listen to the --- in the background .Locko answered with a lot of maybes-I guess so etc.
6. Why do you like the dump valve design that does not allow you to empty the tank fully, instead causing waste water to stagnate at the bottom of the machine?
  What Grimel said and I use a shop vac at end of day to clean recovery tank. Water is left in tank to trap any lint etc.
7. Do you feel that the body panels are too thin and flex under vacuum? Have you ever compared the body panel strength of the Recoil to that of a Mytee machine? If so, do you not recognize a difference?
  What Grimel said . Tanks are designed to work with the vacuum motors.
8. Do you think that it is a good idea that the internal vacs use 1.5" hoses rather than 2" hoses or do you think Mr Ed merely opted to use these hoses because they are sold at Lowe's?
 What Grimel said  AIRSPEED !
9. Do you think the 14 gauge wires coming out the back are adequate? Do you like that they are not detachable?
   Can't say it any better than Grimel
  These modular designed machines are built with most parts readily available to user not having to order thru distributor. Less downtime.  KISS