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    Posted: 22/September/2004 at 7:48pm

See they can try to copy a mom and pop... but there is one problem they have to hire... and employees don't care

mom and pop will always have better service

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You got your point across.  Now that I know where you're coming from, I can't disagree. 

On the point of the bigger places trying to offer better quality:

Mrs. Surround Sound just made mention that over here, McDonalds has just started converting many of their stores to McCafe, which serves better coffee, high quality pastries, fresh blended juice, and healthier fresh sandwiches.

Just like some of the Mom & Pop cafes.

Is that so in Canada as well?

-Allen


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boutique ...I like it.... kinda feminine though...lol I would rather Haberdashery...no offense with the mom & pop thing I was just trying to get my point accross
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I'm still not attracted to an advertised cost that is rarely (if ever) adhered to.  Yes, the customer should read the fine print. 
Buyer Beware.
If it sounds too good to be true, it probabally is.
There's one born every minute.

I'm not comfortable with that for our little 'Mom & Pop' Pty Ltd.  I'm too stinkin' proud I suppose.  Pride makes me want to hold my head up high and meet last month's  customer's eye at the grocery store.  Pride makes me wanna be known as 'expensive.... but worth it'  Sure, pride is one of the seven deadly sins, but if I'm gonna go to hell 'cause I take pride in what I do, then so be it.

I think that customers are better educated now then ever before.  It may only be a matter of time before the 'cheap & nasty' operators start a 'VIP' or 'Executive' level of carpet cleaning.

Until then, I'm IT (around these parts anyway).

Cheers!

-Allen

ps: we PREFER 'boutique' over 'mom and pop'


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Originally posted by surroundings surroundings wrote:

Mr. Steamer,

You're right.  I don't think.  But why would I put that fine print in bold on my ad?  My cost includes moving furniture.  It includes GST (Goods and Services Tax ... 10% here in Australia).  I do NOT have a minimum # of rooms, I quote by the square metre of the area I clean, I expect that I will have a heavily soiled creme wool carpet.  (It does not take THAT much longer to clean!  Really!) Very few stains require an oxidisation treatment, or a heat transfer... and those that may, I point out during my quote.  If the stain does not come out during regular cleaning, I'll hit it with a NVDS or a neutral spotter... whatever it takes...let it sit for a while, then extract again.

I'm silly enough to quote on a job well done, and include the service of moving funiture, the  service of pre-vac, the service of extracting heavily soiled carpets.  Now that's SERVICE SERVICE SERVICE, ain't it?

The above ad basically reads as a set price for traffic areas only on a not-too-dirty dark carpet.  Gimmie a break here...

-Allen
Well said Allen thats just my point.... you are dealing with small volume running a mom and pops carpet cleaning out fit... do a lot of in home est.  You may get 5 or maybe even 10 calls a day.... The real big guy doesn't have time to do what you do.... he gets maybe 300 calls a day...

As a big outfit you have to put everything on the ad or its called a bait and switch.... EVERYTHING

The time it takes to do a in-home you could have cleaned that customer and been on the way to the next...oh I forgot you only do 1 or so a day so take your time...

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You guys take a hosing on everything but the Chemry guy. They charge more over here.
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Just to make the dollar conversion easier:

1.00 CANADIAN DOLLAR (CAD) = 1.1042 AUSTRALIAN DOLLAR (AUD)

That is according to the Bloomberg Currency Calculator

Let's put that into perspective, shall we?  In Australia today,

2 litres of Coke is avaliable on special for $1.65
A three year fixed home loan rate is 6.5 % per annum.
A Quarter Pounder Value Meal is $5.25
Diesel fuel is $1.13 per litre (that's $4.28 per gallon)
and a brand new Hyundai 7L V6 Tiburon is $31,990
ChemDry charge $25 per room with a 3 room minimum and other fine print.
Surroundings charge $4.50 per square metre for carpet cleaning.... with no fne print.

How does that stack up with you guys?

-Allen



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Originally posted by doug doug wrote:

Clean 3 rooms and a hall for just under a dollar




Three rooms and a hall?  Did one like this yesterday.  Lady responded to my 'Fourth Room Free' ad: dining room- 11.9 sq m. living room- 22.44 sq. m. master b/room 19.76 sq. m.( traffic lanes only... BIG master b/room!) hall- 7.72 sq m.

The hall was free.  Normal cost would have been $278.23... with the 'special' the cost was $243.95. That's $4.50 per sq. metre for those of you not into the 'math' of it.

Make-Up in the master, dog hair everywhere, red wine spill in the dining.  The only thing that took extra time was the make-up.  Used a citrus solvent on the little spots.  Hall and living were a dark green, master and dining were a peach colour. Also did 2 entry mats at no cost.

Total time of 3 hours, inluding set-up... moving AND replacing furniture, pre-vac... post rake.  They didn't go with the carpet protection.  The Mrs. made me a coffee, and the Mr. gave me a bottle of homebrew beer when he found out I dabbled in this field myself.

I love my job,

Allen
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Mr. Steamer,

You're right.  I don't think.  But why would I put that fine print in bold on my ad?  My cost includes moving furniture.  It includes GST (Goods and Services Tax ... 10% here in Australia).  I do NOT have a minimum # of rooms, I quote by the square metre of the area I clean, I expect that I will have a heavily soiled creme wool carpet.  (It does not take THAT much longer to clean!  Really!) Very few stains require an oxidisation treatment, or a heat transfer... and those that may, I point out during my quote.  If the stain does not come out during regular cleaning, I'll hit it with a NVDS or a neutral spotter... whatever it takes...let it sit for a while, then extract again.

I'm silly enough to quote on a job well done, and include the service of moving funiture, the  service of pre-vac, the service of extracting heavily soiled carpets.  Now that's SERVICE SERVICE SERVICE, ain't it?

The above ad basically reads as a set price for traffic areas only on a not-too-dirty dark carpet.  Gimmie a break here...

-Allen
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Allen's been cleaning all summer just trien to raise a dollar

Sometimes I wonder just how their goen to do it

Clean 3 rooms and a hall for just under a dollar

Sometimes I wonder just what I am going to do because there ain't no cure for the bait and switch bluesGuitar

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Originally posted by surroundings surroundings wrote:

Ads around here read like:

(in bold) ONLY  $XX per ROOM!!!

(fine print) subject to site inspection, customer to pre-vacuum and move required furniture, minimum 3 rooms, price does not include GIST, maximum room size 12 sq MITREs, extra costs may apply for light coloured carpet, wool carpets, heavily soiled carpet and pet hair. Price does not include removal of spots or stains.

The customers are sick of this stuff.  I pre-quote and give a firm written price to do the job they expect.

-Allen
man you people don't think... you have to put this stuff in your ad., because it does cost more... but imagine if you put all this info in big bold print....

number 1 it would cost a fortune to print... the size of the add would have to be huge

number 2 it would be too much info and you'd loose your focal point (the thing your trying to sell)

no one needs to see all the extras in big bold print... and once it's on the flyer that IS NOT BAIT AND SWITCH

it's you little guys(like myself) that put out an ad with your price $5 bucks a room, and when you get to the customers house it's a whole different story...

I've even heard of companies out here asking for money up front..

so before y'all start posting lets understand what exactly is bait and switch

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Allen:  Mr. Surround Sound that looks like the standard big company ad.  Similar to the ones I am accoustume to.  People may be sick of them.  But the same ones keep applying their price shopping mentality to these companies and hireing them.  The will all say the samething . We will never get sucked in by that ad again.  But guess what in a year or two guess who their best customers are?  It's called monetary weekness.Guitar
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Well, that add sure nailed down the price, didn't it? lol
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Ads around here read like:

(in bold) ONLY  $XX per ROOM!!!

(fine print) subject to site inspection, customer to pre-vacuum and move required funiture, minimum 3 rooms, price does not include GST, maximum room size 12 sq metres, extra costs may apply for light coloured carpet, wool carpets, heavily soiled carpet and pet hair. Price does not include removal of spots or stains.

The customers are sick of this stuff.  I pre-quote and give a firm written price to do the job they expect.

-Allen
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