IICRC PRACTICAL COMPONENT

I get concerned when some want to REPRESENT you yet don't want to teach your method...LOL

Some want to REPRESENT you but don't want your OPINON..

Some want to rEPRESENT but only if you feed thier egos.

Some of us prefer to respresent ourselves.

Lee Lee Lee,

I have no idea where that came from but you are reminding me of Steamer and Doug by not answering a simple question. 

Yeah sure Gmoney. We'll get the fancy machine from Shaw's technical lab and measure the amount of dirt removed from the carpet by the cleaner and how much is left in there. Then you can be certified. Cost-$250.00plus GST. Sure.

Obviously you don't believe in there being a practical component that teaches how to move furniture, apply pre-spray, agitate, work the wand, bonnet, gls, OP  , blot stain removal techniques, customer rapport etc.  Your Shaw comment is not relevant but if you think it is so be it.  It kills me that nonsene responses are the accepted norm here.

And you are comfortable talking for a 2 days about cleaning and giving us a manual and then charging the $250 plus GST.  Just give me the manual and I will come in to write a test at a later date.  That way I do not have two days of down time.

I believe the CCT class will always improve an experienced cleaner with no formal education  on the subject.

I believe that experienced cleaner can save his money and learn FAR MORE for free on the boards ie. ICS, BBS, etc.  There he can get constant support from his peers and questions answered promptly.

Lee,

Tell me a few good reasons why I should pay my IICRC dues this year. What are the advantages of being a member.  And at the same time can you tell me what is being done to improve the organization.  In particular what is being done to help the average carpet cleaner that pays his/her dues on a yearly basis.   

Doug is an IICRC GRAND MASTER

Mr. Steamer:  I believe it was you who gifted me with that not so gracious title.

You proved me right again.  Lee just respond to what I asked you.  Thanks.  You are the respected educator.  Then educate me on these issues please.

Lee,

Tell me a few good reasons why I should pay my IICRC dues this year. What are the advantages of being a member.  And at the same time can you tell me what is being done to improve the organization.  In particular what is being done to help the average carpet cleaner that pays his/her dues on a yearly basis.   

There is a lot more to the IICRC than just cleaning.

I as an inspector get a significant number of referals  from the IICRC website.

I as a master restorer of both water and fire get some referals from the IICRC.

We as a firm get a number of referals for carpet cleaning from the IICRC.

More than anything we market the death out of the fact that our techs are IICRC certified. This does signify a distinction between our techs and Joe Blow. It does signify that the cleaner knows the difference between one carpet and another.

It is so easy to be a naysayer. ITS THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD.

I guess the question is, is it worth $30.00 U.S.

Well, to me thats peanuts. To me, I want my techs to have a system of constant, never ending improvement.

Don't compare yourself gathering info on the net as being part of the normal profile of a carpet cleaner. MOST CARPET CLEANERS DON'T EVER GO ON A CARPET CLEANING BULLETIN BOARD. Most carpet cleaners I talk to couldn't imagine spending ten minutes a day on the net,let alone a few hours.

The IICRC classes and CECs offer an education to the average cleaner they wouldn't get otherwise.

You know everything already gmoney, maybe you shouldn't support one of the few frameworks in existence to offer betterment to our industry.

I also pay dues to the CRI,FIO and LMCCA. But thats me. You do what you feel is right for you.

Lee,

Tell me a few good reasons why I should pay my IICRC dues this year. What are the advantages of being a member.  And at the same time can you tell me what is being done to improve the organization.  In particular what is being done to help the average carpet cleaner that pays his/her dues on a yearly basis. 

I as an inspector get a significant number of referals  from the IICRC website.

I as a master restorer of both water and fire get some referals from the IICRC.

We as a firm get a number of referals for carpet cleaning from the IICRC.

So let me get this right, the IICRC will not give you referals if you are an AVERAGE carpet cleaner (remember the question).  This privelege only is granted once you pay more money and take more courses to become an inspector, master restorer, certified firm etc? My origingal question still remains.  What is in it for the average due payer (which is the majority of members)!!  You are in the know so can you please tell us

Don't compare yourself gathering info on the net as being part of the normal profile of a carpet cleaner. MOST CARPET CLEANERS DON'T EVER GO ON A CARPET CLEANING BULLETIN BOARD. Most carpet cleaners I talk to couldn't imagine spending ten minutes a day on the net,let alone a few hours.

I was responding to this LEE,

I believe the CCT class will always improve an experienced cleaner with no formal education  on the subject.

I was not comparing myself to anyone and most carpet cleaners if given the choice of getting answers and education as it pertains to their everday cleaning concerns would pick a bulletin board over a two day one off seminar.  Now on a board they can go through the archives, do a search, ask questions, and get ongoing support from 'IICRC certified masters ironically' and 'street smart masters'.

You know everything already gmoney, maybe you shouldn't support one of the few frameworks in existence to offer betterment to our industry.

You are ignorant Lee.  No I do not know everything and that is why I was honestly trying to find out some information that would help me better understand the role IICRC plays in our businesses (in particular the average due payer) and the direction that the organization plans to take in the immediate and distant future. 

I was giving you an opportunity to promote the IICRC to the average carpet cleaner who is either not a member, thinking of becoming one, stopped paying their dues, sees the reality that they paid their money and now all the IICRC does is send a bill once a year etc.

The IICRC will be proud that you confirmed:

Nothing is being done for the average member

You must pay more through courses to get a few measly referals; maybe

There is no plan for the future to raise the profile of the IICRC or the that of the certified cleaner....or at least it is being suppressed from the rest of us 

We spend money promoting our IICRC certification too...but so do those that aren't...what is being done to combat this ( maybe they should focus more on the aforementioned paragraph)

You say it sets you apart from BLOW JOE....How... the customer unfortunately does not know any better

One area I think that the IICRC has failed miserably in is helping to ensure that prices stay at a respectable level.  There are MANY IICRC certified techs charging less than those that are not.  WHY?  Maybe because we do not talk about pricing in the training and how important it is for ALL of us to be on par.  Then the customer will be wary of the low baller.  Unfortunately it is the other way around.  From the responses I have been getting on the boards I honestly think it will never be reversed.  Unless of course a large group of us in our respective areas get together and agree on minimum price points that must be adhered to.  I know many of you are rolling your eyes.  And unfortunately this should be the number one focus of your business : impart professionalism and command a healthy commission for your services.