Many here obviously have never used or even heard of OP cleaning.

OP is quite a bit different than Rotary Bonnet.

#1. The agitation of OP is much more and higher than rotary.

#2. Depth of cleaning is better because of the orbit of the cotton terri pad moving over the carpet and down into it.

#3. Cotton pads absorb more soil and because cotton terri has so many more contact points to the carpet it cleans better.

#4. While this is not about "which" method is BEST or better, fact is many OLD TIME cleaners as well as relative newbies have gone to OP cleaning and sold, YES sold thier TM's and replaced them with OP machines.

$5. In this day of "instant this and instant that" many people prefer VLM (Very Low Moisture) cleaning because of CUSTOMER EASE, we can clean and be out of the house in little time and the carpets are basically dry when we leave.

#6. Another benefit "to the customer" is the need for LESS cleanings, OP cleaning will cause the carpets to have to be cleaned LESS often.

#7. Our country club here in Lexington, Ky. had been having their carpets cleaned every TWO WEEKS for 14 weeks, simply because the carpets would look bad after that short amount of time. They had gone through 6 of the local cleaners and still could not get the carpets to stay clean. We did the job and then started a 3 MONTH maintenance program, and because the carpets stayed so clean they them moved it to every 4 months. We have been cleaning there now for 7 years or so.

If anyone thinks the previous cleaners were simply fly by nights or that they didn't know what they were doing, I must disagree, one of the cleaning companies was Joey Picketts company. Most of you know who he is.

Here are some OP pictures that I have taken of jobs I have done http://ccsop.com/gallery/album01 - http://ccsop.com/gallery/album01  this is NOT surface cleaning at all and it you study what the results, you can see that.

BTW, OP is a great pile lifter as well, the orbital actions makes it dig deep.

Ok, Nightrider, come on back and call me a liar!

Op, Bonnet...doesn't really clean...most of the chemicals used are loaded with optical brighteners...it's a surface clean....it may look clean...but just do ONE swipe with your wand and you'll see....dirt will come up from deep down in the fiber....

Nothing against it...I use it cuz sometimes it's the only thing that will make the carpet look clean(which is important to the customer)

Hey PadMan, How are you today. Sir  7 very well taken points, without pics I would have had a nasty comment for all 7 ( Guaranteed ). My father used to say that( " Even a pig can be made to look good in a picture " ) But that was my father and cameras back then were not like those of today......I say a picture is worth a 1000 words. I'm impressed PadMan.....very impressed...not sure why but I would love to have a machine like that if it truely gives those results. I do have some questions though. 1) That place was real dirty, how long did it take you to clean, and how many sq. ft were there( 2) what was the cost of chemical used to clean (3) How many pads you went through and are they reusable (4) That place looks like it wasn't cleaned for years, and what is that place. I have to admit after seeing those pics, you do good work, super job, I can see how you can convert many a person using those pics. I will look further into it and have already called Ted at Kleenkuip and left a message.....he was on the other line and had his feet up on the desk..........another loooong conversation. He must be trying to sell a truckmount.

   Jack        NIGHTRIDER

Mr. Steamer, you need to get a few facts straight before making those types of claims.

Fisrt bonnet and pad are NOT the same method, especially using OP as opposed to rotary.

Second, NO OPTICAL brighteners, second the chemical is listing at the top of the EPA preferred chemicals for cleaning. 98% homegrown plant products, 100% bio-based. NO RESIDUE, and here is a challenge for you.

Clean the BEST you can with HWE and then wipe with a damp cotton towel, it will be dirty, why?

Clean and rinse and clean and rinse a carpet several times and then follow with an OP and cotton pads, your pads will be dirty. Clean it the BEST you can, and then tell me where the soil will be coming from... the top or the bottom?

If from the top, then your hwe rinse job simply did a lousey job, if from the bottom then your HWE job is not all you crack it up to be.

Don't believe me, TEST FOR YOURSELF, then imagine a machine that orbits the fibers driving the pad deep into the fibers, NOT a rotary that operates and runs on to the fibers.

Oh, if you say you clean and then the pad is clean after you use it, well, this may be hard to swallow but THEN you would have to be A. a liar, or B the FIRST to ever get that result.

Thank you NightRider, I KNEW we could talk about this..LOL

The pics are from several diferent jobs, one thing that many do not understand is that it doesn't take a LOT of more time for dirty and lightly soiled but it does take more pads..

For example, we just finished 118,000 square foot government building, pics here: http://ccsop.com/gallery/album22 - http://ccsop.com/gallery/album22  and that was one of the SLOWEST jobs we have had to do in a while. It was all Miliken carpet tiles, mostly 16 years old. Much of it hasn't been cleaned in many years. There was SO much soil that it took us 5 people 8 hours a day for 5 1/2 days. We used 320 pads a day! That was by FAR the worst we have had to deal with in pad washing in my 30 years of this.

Usually a typical 4-5 hour day for one person doing approx 400-600 dollars worth of cleaning takes about 40-50 pads, or THREE wash loads.

Those pics of the pee job in Midway on my first link, it took 25 pads to clean that house, yes, even with that much soil and urine, but the pads were HEAVY with soil. That is the advantage of 100% cotton terri, most don't understand just how much they will hold.

I hope to come to Toronto later this year, and will be showing off the method, but I  "always" ask that the guys take us to THIER problem jobs, so it is on their turf on their real world carpet problems, NO SETUPS or trickiy anyone.

If you are anywhere near there, I would love to demo for you.

Lee S., you got some nasty carpet we could clean somewhere?

Tell me PadMan, where abouts are you in the States, I'll go and see you for a demo, Is that your phone number on that truck. I'll call you. Tonight. By the way that is one hell of a beautiful truck.....I want one. The pic of 50 man hours of pad, there are stainless steel  canisters to the left of the pic.......what are those. Another question, how many sq.ft can an operator do in an hour taken into consideration user fatique. I am truely impressed PadMan, I don't regret any and all the other nasty posting I made towards you in the various topics, because most of it was all in fun and I thought it just made interesting reading for others and a little shock treatment to get others to voice an opinion. WHAT I DO REGRET IS NOT KEEPING AN OPEN MIND AS TO NEW AND OR OTHER METHODS OF CLEANING CARPET, MY PAST EDUCATIONAL TRAINING BOTH IN THE SCIENCES AND THEOLOGY FAILED ME WHEN I WROTE THOSE COMMENTS.

              JACK                NIGHTRIDER     where The Padman is quickly becoming every HWE cleaners nightmare..........hide all your customers.........he's comming to a city near you.

Lol NightRider, I am in Versailles, Kentucky just outside Lexington. You are more than welcome to come visit anytime. Yes 859-873-0273 is the number and I gotta tell ya, that Sprinter van is the best buy I have made! 20-26 miles to the gallon and rides smoother than our car.

Those stainless steel canisters are Pepsi canisters, they are 5 gallon, I put three gallons of prespray in them and hit it with the air compressor and I never have to pump.. 29 years of pumping and my shoulder was wearing out, now just spray and go!

8 Hours of HARD cleaning is a good day, however, we usually like to clean 4-5 hours a day and just make sure we make good while we are doing it.

Square footage of course varies by amount of soil and type of carpet, but normal residential is 300-600 per hour, now that includes getting there, setting up and leaving. Time only cleaning, 600-900 residential and 700-1200 commercial. BUT some jobs will also be slower some faster.

No problem NightRider, I NEVER take things personally, plus let's be honest, we ALL think we do the best job, that is natural for any of us who love what we do.

I hope you will still have a few nasties to throw at me in the future, otherwise I might feel unloved...

padman what is the difference between bonnet and op. i bonnet clean and i use pads, and it sounds like i go through as many in a day....just wondering.

Same stuff...same principle...looks like a cow...moo's like a cow...

IT MUST BE A COW

Listen Padman I've seen done it been there.......tell me how it's different...Educate me...change my mind....

Tell me what I say is total foolishness

A coffee stain in a commercial carpet...why your OP works better because it's only removing the stain from the top...with very very little moisture

The reason why the hwe doesn't so a good job...it's because the stain has soaked down to the bottom....HWE will hit the stain but beacuse it's so wet it tends to wick up.....the drying time is soooooo much longer...

you remove that stain with your OP and a guarantee I'll can bring it right back with my hwe...why cuz you never really cleaned it...you just licked off the top where everyone can see....plus the drying time is way less with the OP so no chance of wicking up.....

But it ain't clean only soap and water can do that Padman...

If you have DONE it and BEEN there, then I question why you don't know the differnce.

Bonneting is much more surface type cleaning, op digs and gets INTo the fibers, and the pads absrobancy compared to bonnets are not comparable. So again, "IF" you have been there done that, why would you ask?

OK, would you put padding up against your TM? Quality wise?

I would, WHY? Because I KNOW padding, now bonneting, nope, I will tip my hat to you.

You can't get to the bottom with HWE, that is a falacy, any person who thinks they can TOTALLY clean a gravity fed product, hasn't been looking into the depths of a carpet to check thier work.

padman i want a box of these pads. i'll put it to the test and if your right i'll switch. but i can't see it getting any cleaner. but i won't knock it till i try it. 

The pads in and of themselves are nothing special Greg, they are 100% cotton terri, heavy and durable terri. But that added to oscillation is what enables the deep cleaning and removal of soils and such.

With Latex backing padman ...no.. Steam cleaning even at 500 psi won't touch the underlay...but it'll hit right to the root of the fiber alot better than OP......

Latex backing acts like a water barrier.....but if the moisture sits there long enough it will eventually soak through.....ie coffee stain

and that's my point pad man...you really only wipe the top...OP uses very little moisture...so you don't get the wicking problem....op doesn't get anywhere near the root of the carpet.......

a spill might be small on the top...but just imagine what the underpad sucks up....

Now if the backing is jute....I think that steam will the underpad....but who really sees alot of jute backed carpet now a days

STAINS GONE = HAPPY CUSTOMER

BACKING DIRTY= NOBODY SEES= NOBODY CARES

PADMAN DOES NICE WORK= MONEY FOR HIM AND NOT MR. STEAMER

I am not asking you to buy anything, I am telling you that it is so, whether or not you believe is irrevelant.

It isn't a SLAM on HWE to have a deep cleaning method.

Padman..you know that I think you do nice good work, I will also admit on this forum we have promised to meet in the next comming months in Kentucky to see your machine in action. I have been speaking with Ted at Kleenkuip for some walk behinds that will cut down on time and expence for some maintenance contracts I picked up starting towards mid summer, these are secure 2 and 3 year deals that require regular monthly carpet care program, and as it stands your machine might be the answer, maybe it's not, I have no idea, but to say deep down cleaning is possible with your machine. I think NOT.       Make a Video using both systems, and do all the tests in front of the camera, but PadMan.......no break-away shots, and keep talking while the camera is rolling, or better still I want to see a big clock with a big red second hand counting every second that goes by while the camera keeps rolling.

  Jack         NIGHTRIDER  where time and destiny meet only once in a lifetime

For commercial carpet maintenance , nothing comes close to the Cimex.

You will have a blast tearing that up.

As deep as HWE, that is for sure, on many carpets deeper.

We have been brainwashed into believing because a lot of water is used that the carpet is rinsed or CLEANED way down deep. Well what is deep cleaning? Deep cleaning is cleaning deep enough the customer never see what dirt is left.

Some with think this bogus, but time after time we have tested this, no matter how well you clean, I can come back and get more, then you more than me more and so forth.

We were in Atlanta at a TM manufacturers place, he had been cleaning on an 8' x 4' piece of carpet for a couple of hours, demoing the machine. We went over this OVER CLEANED carpet with a pad and it was quite dirty, the TM manufacturer was amazed, I told him, now you do some more, he got more, then me and I got more soil. People what we clean is gravity fed, anyone thinking THEY are truly getting all the soil out is sadly mistaken no matter HOW much they WISH they got it all out, to think so is simply lying to yourself.

So again, how deep is deep?

I will go toe to toe with a TM anyday, period.

Mister Steamer, yes there is a stair tool, it is a smaller oscillating machine, and will impress you with the way it cleans up the bulledge of the stair!

NightRider, side by sides are great, but the fun is when you then switch sides and clean each others work, HWE guys are sick when they see how much was left in the carpet THEY THOUGHT was clean. Question is: Where did the dirt come from? The Top or the Bottom?????

One of the main reasons many get this system is because you can eliminate wickbacks with it... there again, do you think they are eliminated beucase you don't get the carpet wet or because you get the elements causing the wickbacks out?

It's because you're not getting it very wet.

Wicbacks are operator error.

Most HWE guys know the HAVE to say that, wicking is not stopped by VLM cleaning because it is low moisture, it stops it because you can remove what is causing it.

The pictures below are examples of carpets that had been HWE'd but wicked back, we STOPPED it permanently.

PadMan are you married......I think I'm falling in love..........good work......I think we can all agree.

                    NIGHTRIDER

Padman was there underpading under that carpet?????I could do the same job with a little brown out and my bonnet machine....

you know if that's underpaded thats all still there...right???

YOu could? How would you know that? Others had tried, but failed, and NO you wouldn't have gotten that out with a rotary and brownout, not a chance.

Yes there was padding, but WHAT are you saying is under the pad? Dried rusty water? So what does that have to do with removing the stain and keeping it from wicking? NOTHING goes down to the padding and cleans.

Padman maybe you can teach an old dog new tricks.  I have seen many pad jobs that totally amazed me, but I still had the doubt in my mind as were did the dirt go.  I now understand a little better as I read.

You use some times up to 100 pads on a job.  When we sell a pad machine in Toronto most customers purchase one pad. Not exactly true, Lee bought many. Its a no brainier why did I not figure it out.  If you use enough Toilet Paper you get the job done properly and comfortably.

LOL, exactly Senor Carpetologist, what type pad machine and pads do you sell?

Mot of the time, 50 pads in the truck will do you all day, but our TOUGHEST job was the government building, 5 men 8-9 hours each and we used a total of like 320 pads for the day. But that was the worst case scenario.

Ted, you are now totally confusing me , you sold me a big freakin truckmount with all the bells and whistles, when i could have just bought toilet paper to clean carpets.........what a rip off.

send me 200 cases of toilet paper

           NIGHTRIDER

Padman

We sell a basic carpet & floor polisher called Centaur. You can see it on my site. For oscillating equipment we sell Oreck. The Bonnets we sell not pads are the thick type with the green astro-turf across them.

I'm almost sold on OP not....lol you could use a million pads.....I only have 10...so that my problem...ok now I'm sold

just keep wipin...and wipin and wipin....hhhmmmm interesting...same idea with bonnet pads??????sounds like alot of work...Ted I need more pads...

Padman how much rpm do I need to run....I have a couple of floor machines here..I'll get one rewound

SOLD

I STILL say wickbacks are operator error.

I had 1 wickback last year and it was cuz I got lazy.

Oh but that's right.

Padman was the ONLY cleaner in town who could keep the carpet from wicking with his amazing rag spinner.

I agree with OPERATOR error, which of course is the cause for MOST prpblems.

Your rotary runs either 175 or if it is a high speed 300 rpm, the OP machine runs at 1725 rpm, but that is OPM orbits per minute, the acutal pad turns slowly.

I want to see your machine...1700 RPM's is real high...you could burn up the carpet.....how many sq ft can you do with one pad padman???

no Senor Steamer, it ORBITS at 1725, NOTHING like TURNING at 1725, that would fry the carpet.

Look at the videos on my website

http://ccsop.com - http://ccsop.com

so I guess you pre-spray the chemicals pad man????

Help me understand this.... It took 5 people 5 1/2, eight-hour days to complete 118,000 square?  It took 220 man hours to complete 118,000 square?  Are you kidding me?  I would fire my manager if it took over 30 man hours. 

PADMAN, was this contract an 8A set-aside, or a competitive bid?  Did you make money with your system?  Are you sure?  Are you really sure?  You wouldn't make money in Hampton Roads, VA.

I clean similar spaces for 7 cents a square.  I clean large commercial spaces without furniture for 4.6 cents a square.  I average $200 an hour on the job.  

Most cleaners just don't get it.   The cost of your machine is insignificant.  Efficiency is all that matters.  I run the most expensive machine on the market, and I make more money than most of my competitors.     

I could show you on paper that your machine costs more than my Vortex.  Just ask.

I agree to many pad changes........118,000 sq ft 5 1/2 days yes thats too much time on one job.....

Me and my partner did 40,000 in 4 hours he took one floor and me the other...and  thats at 10cents ...we cried not enough money....that would have taken 2 days padman style....

If you use the proper pre-spray-----the right rinse---and low water pressure---and make sure that the ventilation is going......... no wick backs

Padman I like OP but hell it takes too long...I could to 10 places in the time you do one with half the work force

I got paid 20,000 dollars for the job, and it was incredibly dirty, we only did it because it got us ALL Kentucky State jobs HAVE to be cleaned with this system now, the Capitol building bought a machine, janitors winning bids are buying the machine etc.

I know all the "I make a fortune on every job" lines, I have heard them several times, but USUALLY those are the guys that when I visit them don't have a pot to piss in.

We normally average approx 120-150 dollars and hour each on our cleaning, several jobs upwards of 300 dollars and hour each. But I am not ashamed to show the tough ones where we made great money. Some guys woudln't do the job fo r that, but then they wouldn't have the 20,000 in thier pockets either.

Anyone TOO good to make great money are probably full of sh*t in there claims of making ANY MONEY.

Ok Padman, 

SOLICITATION MODIFICATION

Extended Description:

Carpet Cleaning Service

One time carpet cleaning using an oscillating absorbent pad method that includes pre-treatment with a very low moisture (VLM) non-toxic, bio-safe, cleaning solution containing colloidal-silver.

L&N Building
908 W. Broadway
Louisville, KY 40203

We don't really need to see this Padman.  I feel what everyone else feels.

Way to much man power and way too much time.

Your assertion that "ALL Kentucky State jobs HAVE to be cleaned with this system now,"  does not appear in this contract.  IN fact, the contract reads "One time carpet cleaning using an oscillating absorbent pad method that includes pre-treatment with a very low moisture (VLM) non-toxic, bio-safe, cleaning solution containing colloidal-silver."

It is illegal.  I have been in the Navy for 19 years.  While I am not a contracting officer, I am a supply officer.  Becasue I deal with similar circumstances every day, I am probably better informaed than most attorneys (on this matter). 

Do you actually believe that this contract supports your case?  It supports my case better than yours.  I guess we know why "you are a cleaner and not a lawyer.LOL" 

Padman has them sold.

Thats why the specs are written that way.

There is no reason the facility can't have it cleaned the way they want it cleaned.

My best customer insists on VLM. They firmly believe that HWE poses mould and slip fall risks.

Open your eyes naysayers.

Has them sold?  This is government work.  There is no "selling them".  The contract was written this way because of the way padman wrote his proposal.  He had the lowest bid.  If a stem cleaner had won the contract, it would have specified steam cleaning.  

This may not be a federal contract, but states are required to comply with the FAR (Federal Acquisition Regulations) if they want govt funds.

My eyes are open.   How else could I read your post?  Ha ha haaaa..... ugh, that's not even funny, but I will leave it anyway. 

Your assertion that "ALL Kentucky State jobs HAVE to be cleaned with this system now,"  does not appear in this contract. 

What a dufuss, this contract is for THIS job, that doesn't take a TOO much brains power for ya does it?

 IN fact, the contract reads "One time carpet cleaning using an oscillating absorbent pad method that includes pre-treatment with a very low moisture (VLM) non-toxic, bio-safe, cleaning solution containing colloidal-silver."

You cut part of the post didn't you? Who do you think Carpet Care Systems is? And just who do you think builds the Oscillating floor machine? WE are and do. I have had janitorial companies call that won bids and they had to purchase equipment and product from us to do the job.

It is illegal.  

SMARTER THAN A LAWYER HUH? IT has become the standard, get over it!

I have been in the Navy for 19 years.  While I am not a contracting officer, I am a supply officer.  Becasue I deal with similar circumstances every day, I am probably better informaed than most attorneys (on this matter). 

Being in the Navy didn't make you a lawyer either! Well being you are WRONG, I question just how darn smart you are, me thinks you think to much of what YOU think!

Do you actually believe that this contract supports your case?  It supports my case better than yours.  I guess we know why "you are a cleaner and not a lawyer.LOL" 

Yeah, I do, being mine is fact and yours is your opinion, which by the way is simply WRONG, in error, not thought out, just plain goofy, biased or WHATEVER.

Has them sold?  This is government work.  There is no "selling them".  The contract was written this way because of the way padman wrote his proposal.  He had the lowest bid.  If a stem cleaner had won the contract, it would have specified steam cleaning.  

Again, (man this is becomng a habit for you) you are wrong, THEY wrote the proposal, that is why OTHER proposals many around the STATE are written the same way and soon ALL of them here will be. Now why would they do that? Well it really is simply, because they got the results they have been wanting and waiting for, so THEY are making it the standard, propably because of blowhards that THINK IT BENEATH them to MAKE money, and would rather be here bitching and griping instead of making a good living. My wife and I made 2240.00 each saturday, WHAA, but for many of you clowns that isn't good enough? You are funny! I paid my 3 people 320.00 a day each, yes, I paid them VERY WELL, and STILL I Made great money, sure, just under 200.00 an hour that I was there, but hey, we NOW have the state insisting on using our system... Can YOU say the same? Doubt it.

This may not be a federal contract, but states are required to comply with the FAR (Federal Acquisition Regulations) if they want govt funds.

Just shows what YOU know! Sure anyone can bid, as long as they use this equipment and product... which is what I told you in the first place!

Go to law school, because your carpet cleaning training ONLY is showing through.

Padman.... no matter what I like your work...your presentation of everything you do is top notch.  We need not know everything like playing cards never let them see your full hand.

I can see no matter what Padman stands behind his product 100%

Thank you Sir!

I have a quirk about when someone thinks I am lying...

How can I argue with that logic Padman?  It's your fantasy, not mine.  I am outta here. 

Patience Greg, click on them as go have a cup of coffee, all of sudden you will hear a noise, yep, they will be playing.. LOL

Thanks Greg!

Another board ... another bunch of suckers. 

I've seen it evolve on three boards already.  

When you need to convince somebody you have to show all your cards sometimes. Good job Padman. I am the learning guy just starting my carpet cleaning business and I must say that if you convinced these guys the way you did what else can I do. Where is the machine selling ? Can you give me pricing including freight to Calgary ? How do I get the training ?  Do you need some kind of representation here in the west of Calgary ? I would be delighted to do it.

I was out of the forum for some time but I think I re-entered it in the right day. Thanks. I'm looking at the videos now. Amazing !!

WestDevil, I plan on coming to Calgary in May, maybe if you are anywhere near where we are going we can meet. I would be happy to go cleaning on carpet YOU find difficult to clean or any problems carpets you have.

The machines is selling everywhere, Australia, Hawaii, Japan, Guam, Canada etc.

Would be pleased to talk to you, email me your phone number @ mailto:john@geurkink.com - john@geurkink.com and I will call you.

Padman if you ever want your business to run like a Swiss watch you have a perfectionist run it for you. But don't ever try living with one. That's my wife who is home to-day cleaning carpets.

Padman she is cleaning with an oscillating orbiter and pads, not bonnets. Thats not the end of my story.

We have a small dog who hates any type of vacuum noise and drives you crazy when you do any thing to the carpet even if he is locked into another room.

So the easiest way is to simply hold him in one arm while vacuuming. I was watching her and thought we have one woman, one pad machine and one dog in one arm cleaning carpets. It's that easy.

Stay tuned for pictures and results if she lets me take them. Could this be franchised? Now don't any one mention about a dog cleaning the carpets it may upset my wife.  

Check out the Steamin Demon II at http://www.steamindemon.com/images/Untitled-4.jpg - http://www.steamindemon.com/images/Untitled-4.jpg .  It is the fastest, most efficient portable machine on the market.  I admit it; I use these when my truckmount hose-runs are too long. 

We have a lot of EX steamin demon users in our customer list.

High flow, LOW AGITATION.

Padman has managed to keep this topic on top for weeks...amazing just like OP.........btw padman I did a commercial job this week(400 sq ft), and I used all my 10 bonnet pads....best job I ever did.

OP has to be better...my next question is do you have a patent???

Where's your before and after pics Mr.Steamer?

Love to see them.

shoulda, woulda, coulda...get on the ball Steamer.

I'd hire the Padman in a second after seeing his before and after pics.

The Steamin Demon is definately not right for every job.  It has serious limitations.  We only use it for commercial glue-down.  I was worried about overwetting the first few times, but that turned out to be a non-issue. 

Wow I've  missed this topic...it fell of on to the second page...have you heard...

PadMan's having a world tour!!!!

He'll be in a city near you.

Ocean Pacific Cleaning is on its way

You bet, coming to a dirty carpet near you!

Lets place some orders.....if you want a OP machine post here....the more he jams into that van of his the cheaper it'll be

I have to find out how the Canadian gov feels about me coming across the border, i am sure they will want to inventory the truck eh?

Look forward to getting up there.

JUST TELL THEM IT'S FOR A DEMO SHOW AND YOU HAND OUT THE MACHINES FOR THE PEOPLE TO TRY OUT.

                           NIGHTRIDER

JUST DON'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT SELLING THEM UNLESS THEY ASK

THEY DON'T LIKE ME TOO MUCH AT THE BORDER.........WHEN THEY HEAR MY NAME I'M THERE FOR A WHILE INSIDE ANSWERING 1000 QUESTIONS.

                            NIGHTRIDER

LOL. ouch, that hadda hurt!

ummmmmmmmmmmm....let me see Doug.........ummmmmm WHAT !!!!!

                Nightrider

As long as I never run out of answers, the others will sooner or later run out of questions,

Please ditch the guirat.

                           NIGHTRIDER

guitar??

or maybe a rat playing guitar.

To someone who is brand new at carpet-cleaning and looking for a system to invest in, OP seems like a miracle.  I've done hardfloors for years- your entire OP package costs less than a single propane burnisher.

  Speaking of hardfloors, I know that there are no common commercial floors that have clearer reflective qualities and highier sheen than the floors in an army barracks because in a barracks alot of people melt carwax onto the floor and buff it out with a 3-700 rotary machine on top of a terrycloth towel.  It makes sense.  Common commercial finishes are super-hard (for durability) and can really only be brought to an excellent shine with a propane burnisher.  I am wondering if there is any compound or wax that has the protective properties of super-hard commercial finish but also the ultra-high sheen properties that can be brought out by a system like yours.   A propane burnisher runs between 2000 and 3000 rpm.  1750 rpm from a virtually silent electric machine is extremely impressive.  Provided that the orbital motion has the same effect in practice as the rotary motion.   A supercharged battery orbital machine with a 27" head and 2300 rpm, combined with the kind of finish I described would change everything for the VCT floor care industry.  Ever think about that? 

  I am pretty juiced about your system.  The easy learning curve and low price are the best selling points for me.  If your ever going to do demos through western PA, let me know.  If the demo is anything like what is described and depicted on your website, I'd buy it on the spot. 

  I am interested in learning more about the OP hardfloor applications if you care to share.  Maybe this isn't the place for it though, after all it is a carpet cleaning forum. 

Yes this is a carpet cleaning forum Tom but if you read some of Padman past posts and other topics on the forum anything can be discussed.

Somewhere in here Padman gives his web site and also photo's of his work.

Read back further and you will get more information.