Anybody ever die?
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Topic: Anybody ever die?
Posted By: jackblack
Subject: Anybody ever die?
Date Posted: 03/December/2004 at 9:50am
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Do you know of any full time carpet cleaners who have died from many years of using product stronger than "Abstraction" or "Ecogent" ? |
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/December/2004 at 10:56am
Jack: If they did die they certainly never told me. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 03/December/2004 at 11:27am
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Over the years, I have heard from those professional Cleaners whom have , in their own and/or Doctors opinions, gotten cancer from using certain agents with solvents--particularly, dry cleaning agents.
That alone is pretty darn bad since the innocent individual has honestly provided a worthwhile service and labor to the customer. Then, unsuspecting, contracts cancer. And, the sad thing is that I suspect that many of those companies (still) formulating these products, know this very well too.
The beat goes on.....................
Good Fortune to all; Ed Valentine cross-american corp. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 03/December/2004 at 1:20pm
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mild soap and water!!!! ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Mr.Mike
Date Posted: 03/December/2004 at 1:41pm
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Saw that comin' a mile away. ------------- I'm positive about the negative...and negative about the positive. |
MR. STEAMER wrote:
lolPosted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 03/December/2004 at 5:39pm
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I personally spent many months in the hospital losing my gall bladder and it diseased my pancreas all because of a serious overdose of cleaning fluids. Atleast that's what the doctor diagnosed. They say I came close to death. Does close count? ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/December/2004 at 6:19pm
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Ted: You got my vote. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 03/December/2004 at 6:37pm
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no chemical thats right... chem free if mild soap can't get it out...sorry lady your beat.... I don't even carry rust remover in the truck.... soap..... gard...pog....brown out...haitian ...and deo... ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: OCC Boss
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 12:07am
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Im a newbie 4 months into it, $1m of insurance, you guys are telling me this is going to kill me. I should quit while i still have $200 in my pocket!!! ------------- H8 DIRT |
Posted By: greg
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 6:42am
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know what your using occ boss. and follow all safety measures on the lable, mabe even take a safety course. don't take chances. ------------- nothing is impossable. it just hasn't been done yet. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 10:44am
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simple don't use anything unsafe.... getting out a stain with more thansoap is dangerous to your health ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 12:33pm
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Mr. Steamer: Don't inhale your proxy to long. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: danmarck82
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 12:35pm
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What about Red dyes, gum, coffee or tea and urine , As none of these
issues can be resolved with just mild soap and water. I use a Non - Soap based detergent for a pre-spray and it is excellent , but specialty chemicals are almost a necessity in this business for taking care of those things above. Handled with care I think the risks are minimized, but will never be eliminated. New natural products are being produced all the time so I hope we can eventually not have to use chemicals that are dangerous. soap..... gard...pog....brown out...haitian ...and deo... are still all chemicals ! ( I didn't quite understand Steamer, You do, or do not use any of these???) A painter breathes fumes A lawn service breathes insecticides and fertilizers. A bartender breathes Smoke. And Cancer kills friends and family. I hope they keep pushing for more environmentally friendly chemicals . We need more of them thats for sure. ( environmentally safe chemicals) ! |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 2:09pm
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There is no such thing.... even noxema will slow poison you...lol ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 3:29pm
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You must at least be able to identify potential hazards and implement the controls necessary to eliminate or minimize them. Its the law. When it comes to cleaning chemistry the blind eye turned to it is friggin phenominal. Oxidizers, rust removers and dry solvents are the tip of the iceberg. How about the leading carpet prespray in North America? It contains butyl cellusolve (which goes by many different names) CAS # 111-76-2 has a TWAEL of 20PPM to the skin. Yes ma'am our soap is safe to your children and pets. OMG. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 7:08pm
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Lee: What pre spray is that? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 8:32pm
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You gusy want to clean carpet or not? If you don't use ANY chemicals, then turn off the water too, that has all kinds of hazards in it. Good grief, you are being PAID to KNOW what you are doing and to REMOVE thier soil and stains. ------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 9:17pm
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PadMan: I guess soon all we will be able to do is vacuum. I think we will probably have to use the customer's vac so we don't cross contaminate. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 10:22pm
| Doug-Ultrapac |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 05/December/2004 at 10:35pm
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We will all soon be in toxic shock..... Tell me one thing that isn't slowly killing you.... Even a child's night light... did anyone else here about that study??? Sleeping in un natural light could increase your chance of getting cancer and or leukemia ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: danmarck82
Date Posted: 06/December/2004 at 12:31am
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lilnitriderhood: can you give us more info on this prespray so we can
better educate ourselves??? |
Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 06/December/2004 at 9:56am
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As I get older Steamer one thing strikes me, "no one seems to get out of here alive"... ------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/December/2004 at 1:09pm
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Lee: As you know I have been using ultra pac for years. I have however been using some ECOgent a little more often. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: jackblack
Date Posted: 06/December/2004 at 1:53pm
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I think LilNiteRidrhood has "OCD" but me? I'm more obsessed with making money...bling bling baby I want a 1 ton black truck mount with 20" rims and 15" woofers. none of us are gonna live 4-ever |
Posted By: jackblack
Date Posted: 06/December/2004 at 1:57pm
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but for real, Lee do you have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder"?
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Posted By: Harry
Date Posted: 06/December/2004 at 6:34pm
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Every year our understanding of what is hazardous both to us and our world changes. I just think it's wise to be careful how one uses and applies ANY product. If you want to decrease the chem part of the cleaning pie, without big increases in the time part. Then clearly temp or agitation are the parts to increase. Temp often involves a lot of fossil fuel. One big plus for Cimex or OP cleaning. Think of YOUR grandkids.
------------- Be Juan in a Million - be a Leatherwright. |
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 06/December/2004 at 8:37pm
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Jackblack, its called having a conscience. Since I know better, I choose to do what is right. The principles of occupational health and safety are quite clear. When possible you should always protect the worker with engineering or administrative controls. PPE is a last resort. Butyl Cellusolve is on the schedule 1 list of chemicals to be (possibly) outlawed by the Canadian government. You think there might be something there bud. Then there is the customer too. Maybe you should be concerned with their health too. |
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 06/December/2004 at 8:39pm
| Doug--Ecogent works very well with th OP. |
Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 06/December/2004 at 9:28pm
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But PBX will work better, then again so does Abstraction VLM... ------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 07/December/2004 at 4:54pm
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Point well taken danmarck. We sell a product called http://www.kleenkuip.com/products/perky_spotter.htm - Perky Spotter it has been around for a long time. Very friendly with no smell. Giving it dwell time it works very well on coffee, urine, tea and even gum. The problem is we are all looking for instant results like http://www.kleenkuip.com/products/proxi.htm - Proxi and generally not willing to give a good but less aggressive product time to work. Giving away http://www.kleenkuip.com/products/perky_spotter.htm - Perky Spotter to your customers is good advertising. They will always call you back for more. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 07/December/2004 at 5:12pm
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Jack you are right. None of us are going to live forever. But it would be nice to be able to breathe fresh air the last twenty or so years of our lives. You will think differently after 50 and think more about your children and grand children. Maybe you will get that big black truckmount quicker by offering an Enviro Service to those who want to clean healthier. A quickly growing marketing opportunity. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 07/December/2004 at 5:31pm
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The soap is what's cracking your hands up. And the gard - P.O.G., Brown Out, Haitian Cotton and the Deo will all kill you stone dead. You just may be getting sooner than later that long awaited rest you are looking for in 05. It's the P.O.G. that did me in. What we will do to make a buck. With most of us willing to breath balls of fire to enjoy the better things in life. Maybe the government putting the breaks on our toxic chemicals in our industry will actually be good for us if not our children. Something good usually comes out of something bad.
------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 07/December/2004 at 8:18pm
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well lets rip out the carpet...everytime it gets dirty... Thats the only answer.....don't clean carpet sell new carpet ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 07/December/2004 at 8:50pm
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Mr. Steamer: People are already doing just that. Hardwood???? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 07/December/2004 at 10:57pm
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Hardwood gets wrecked too... The truth is most people are tooooooo NASTY to keep the darn carpets clean.... They want to trash them for a year or two or ten then expect them to come back perfect ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 07/December/2004 at 11:03pm
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Mr. Steamer: Has your magic wand not have a glide? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 07/December/2004 at 11:04pm
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Douggie ...I like to feel the road...no matter how rocky... hope you get my drift ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 13/December/2004 at 9:45pm
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To protect your health add these supplements to your diet: BORON - To protect your prostate,3mg a day CALCIUM - To lose weight & strengthen bones, 1200mg a day CHROMIUM PICOLINATE - To ward off diabetes, 35mg a day COENZYME Q10 - To boost energy, 100mg a day FOLIC ACID - To prevent clogged arteries, 500mcg a day CREATINE - to booste muscle & memory, 5grams a day, mixed with whey in a protein shake, can mix with sugar. GLUCOSAMINE - To grease your joints, 1500 mg a day, with chondroitin is fine OMEGA 3's - To protect your heart, 1000mg a day, 2 to 4k mg if older. SELENIUM - To fight cancer, 200mcg a day VITAMIN E,C - To slow the aging process Hope this helps to combat the mist and fumes that damage our bodies. later John L
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 13/December/2004 at 9:49pm
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I don't think any of this will help SGK after PadMan crusified him tonight. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 13/December/2004 at 11:20pm
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He tried, but didn't suceed. It will take more than that to eliminate what is soon to be his greatest competition. John has never had to deal with serious competition to his machines and pad sales before. But now that is changing with the advent of my Sahara Super Pads going on sale now all over Canada and the USA. But the other shoe is soon to drop............. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 14/December/2004 at 7:29am
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SGK: Is like a cat he had 9 lives? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 14/December/2004 at 7:51am
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Still have a few in reserve yet. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: roundpadgirl
Date Posted: 14/December/2004 at 11:56am
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Hey Ken, live in the real world would ya? |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 14/December/2004 at 1:29pm
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LOL ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 15/December/2004 at 12:03am
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Back to the original subject....
NOT LATELY! ------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |