truckmount or portable?
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Topic: truckmount or portable?
Posted By: Alexarz
Subject: truckmount or portable?
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 3:28pm
I recently bought a Mytee M5 as well as the Air Hog booster. I measured cfm with the combination and it yielded about 320 cfm's. For the last decade or so, I have been using truckmounts with my newest one being a ProChem Everest 650 hp. Like a few other members, I am in a good situation to make a call on this issue.
First, let me say that this choice can depend a lot on where you are located. I am in central FL and the houses here are mostly of newer designs and there are not any electrical issues to deal with. If you live in an area where electricity is a big problem due to older houses, you have to weigh this factor in. Another factor here is that most of the houses are one story and the landscape is flat. In areas with lots of stairs, a portable can be a pain in the a$$.
Ok, so lets rule out the electricity and landscape issues and concentrate solely on the machines. With the release of the RV360i, combined with a few of the high powered portables of today, I can honestly say that it does not make any sense at all to use a truckmount as your primary unit. If you are fortunate to have the means to own more than one van, by all means having one of each is ideal. Sometimes a truckmount is simply easier to use and sometimes a portable will save some headache. As far as cleaning quality goes, it is not an issue. With my Certified Pile Lifter, RV360i and Mytee M5 with booster, I can do a much better job than ANY truckmount using a wand. The RV360i is a far bigger advantage than a TM is and the Mytee combination allows very similar dry times to a TM. A Recoil with booster should give similar results.
In the past, things were different but times are changing. We only use our truckmount vans on special instances at this point and have received nothing less than raves from our customers.
For those about to enter the business, it does not make any sense to spend 10 times the money on a truckmount. Having said this, a portable user has to do his best to make his van setup as efficient as possible. We use the Mytee electrical adapter and zip-tie two 25' electrical cords together to make portable setup fast and easy. We also have quick connects on the waste hose as well as the incoming fresh water hose. Personally, I don't believe in one-man crews and if you are using a portable, it is even more important to have a 2 man crew.
Consider the strategy of survival in this business. While many of your competitors are spending about $1000 a month on gasoline, not to mention some are making a $500 monthly equipment payment, they are under far more pressure than you if you are using a portable and a more fuel efficient van. I use a Mercedes Sprinter, which gets 22-24 mpg overall, about double that of a domestic van. With the truckmount gulping down a few gallons per hour, I am saving about $700 a month just on fuel, per van.
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Posted By: Alexarz
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 3:36pm
I want to add that using a portable also saves wear and tear on your truckmount so it can be used on the big jobs where it is more necessary. It doesn't make any sense to be wearing out yout TM on upholstery jobs does it?
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Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 3:37pm
That's exactly what Doug Heifferman said last time I took one of his classes.
Alexarz wrote:
I want to add that using a portable also saves wear and tear on your truckmount so it can be used on the big jobs where it is more necessary. It doesn't make any sense to be wearing out yout TM on upholstery jobs does it? |
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 3:55pm
Alexarz wrote:
Consider the strategy of survival in this business. While many of your competitors are spending about $1000 a month on gasoline, not to mention some are making a $500 monthly equipment payment, they are under far more pressure than you if you are using a portable and a more fuel efficient van. I use a Mercedes Sprinter, which gets 22-24 mpg overall, about double that of a domestic van. With the truckmount gulping down a few gallons per hour, I am saving about $700 a month just on fuel, per van. But losing precious time you could be making more money on another job! |
Are you really saving?
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Posted By: Alexarz
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 5:09pm
The drying times are not an issue. They are very close and you can use Airpaths to speed things up. On days when you have to move more quickly, it is better to use the truckmount but only if you are really slammed. The only significant advantage of the TM is set up and tear down time. With two people, it might add up to 20 or 30 minutes per job at the most. Think about all the weight in your van and the wear and tear that it causes. There are MANY advantages of a portable van setup and only one or two disadvantages.
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 5:43pm
Alexarz.....you're a CLOWN , you have No idea about business, No strategy on how to make money, and absolutely No concept of marketing. Sounds to me that you just wanted to make a post and impress everybody with your equipment and boast your verbal diarrhea while you chatter your teeth with fantasy and lies.
Only a fool would try cost cutting to make money, have you ever seen a chef sell off or don't use his kitchen equipment because it cost to much to operate to generate his business.
If you do have a Sprinter as a truckmount, I know you're a foolish businessman, but not using it and market business for it's operation and then posts a thread on KleenKuip that a portable makes you more money just confirms that you're an idiot without a clue of the world around you.
Nightrider
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Posted By: Alexarz
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 6:15pm
Nightrider, first of all, your sentence structure is so absurdly deficient that I cannot understand some of what you are trying to say but let me address the part that is readable.
If I am such a dumb businessman, why am I one of the only survivors in my area since I moved here in 1995? Why don't you and I compare assets and net worth and see which one of us comes out ahead, Mr Know-it-all? Who even mentioned marketing? Do you honestly think that most customers care at all about the difference between a truckmount or portable? If one guy gets their carpet perfectly clean and it dries very quickly, do you think they are going to second guess what equipment he used? The fact is, performance between a truckmount and a high powered portable is close enough that other factors become more important.
My guess is that you are a typical blue collar grunt who is riddled with insecurities and quite possibly, runaway alcoholism. Your unprovoked rage is quite telling and I would be lying if I did not admit to enjoying the fact that I was the cause of this particular meltdown of yours.
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Posted By: Alexarz
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 6:21pm
I just did a little research and discovered that Nightrider is the newb who thinks he can clean restaurant carpets with only water! LMAO!! Isn't it hilarious that this simple minded grunt thinks he knows something about the carpet cleaning business?  Bravo, you industry scrub, you! You haven't any credibility, Tide Boy! LMFAO!!
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Posted By: CCandmore
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 8:18pm
This thread should be interesting.
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Posted By: DietCoke
Date Posted: 26/September/2010 at 10:13pm
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 27/September/2010 at 4:12am
Instead of doing research on Nightrider, you should have done research on yourself and the cleaning industry, this way at this time you would not be in a situation of not knowing what to do with a truckmount that sits in your driveway with no work.
I learned many many years ago, that people who boast about what they have.......... HAVE NOTHING. That's what you have, if you want to prove me and this forum wrong, post a pic of your fantasy truck with this months front page of a newspaper, and let's check on your credibility.
Nightrider
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Posted By: canoer5222
Date Posted: 27/September/2010 at 8:53am
Good post Nightrider ! And good Luck on the proof you want.
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 27/September/2010 at 9:00am
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 27/September/2010 at 5:45pm
Doug, Alexarz is not me, neither is Chay.....I know you think so, but I haven't pulled that trick in over a year.
By the way Doug, how is retirement.....are you keeping well. Do you still do anything as far as work is concerned or just relaxing and working around the house. We all want to know what the King of the one-liners is up to. Or did you post just to add another feather in your 32,500 post hat. lol ( that's alot of posts )
Nightrider
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 27/September/2010 at 6:50pm
Jack I am now in the home inspection Biz. Still relaxing a bit also. took the schooling and am now out on a new journey. Keep waiting for you to mail me your Les Paul??????
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 27/September/2010 at 9:30pm
I can send you a pic but not the real thing, I don't play that much anymore but would never sell it, rather hang in on a wall and just look at it. I'll get a pic up on here soon.
Nightrider
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 28/September/2010 at 10:45pm
Alexarz wrote:
Do you honestly think that most customers care at all about the difference between a truckmount or portable? If one guy gets their carpet perfectly clean and it dries very quickly, do you think they are going to second guess what equipment he used? The fact is, performance between a truckmount and a high powered portable is close enough that other factors become more important.
| I think the difference between truck and portable is the only thing the customer knows. Those who know want bigger and better, most want TRUCKMOUNT. Most feel a portable is something they can rent themselves.
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Posted By: Alexarz
Date Posted: 02/October/2010 at 7:31am
nightrider wrote:
Instead of doing research on Nightrider, you should have done research on yourself and the cleaning industry, this way at this time you would not be in a situation of not knowing what to do with a truckmount that sits in your driveway with no work.
I learned many many years ago, that people who boast about what they have.......... HAVE NOTHING. That's what you have, if you want to prove me and this forum wrong, post a pic of your fantasy truck with this months front page of a newspaper, and let's check on your credibility.
Nightrider |
Trust me, you don't want me to show proof of what I have or it will likely make you cry and feel like an internet jerkoff.
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Posted By: Alexarz
Date Posted: 02/October/2010 at 7:34am
When I bought the Everest, I thought it would help me close sales. It didn't. I would tell people that it had 650 cfm, nearly 300 degrees of heat etc. and it went in one ear and out the other. We have only been using portables a few months and only one customer made a remark about it and even he changed his tune once he saw how well the carpet came out. I'm not using some 2 stage entry level Ninjas here.
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Posted By: prouddadx3
Date Posted: 02/October/2010 at 1:01pm
Night Rider has a point in that marketing our business is probably more important than the machine or tools we use. So if you can make your portable system look good to possible clients, go for it. You will be in competition with a bunch of truckmounts and they will try to steal your future clients by showing off their equipment. Testimonials, industry knowledge, and guarantees also play a huge roll in acquiring new clients its not just about the equipment.
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Posted By: Grutzy
Date Posted: 02/October/2010 at 3:46pm
He will be in competition with a bunch of truckmounts? Did you not see that he has a ProChem Everest? Most customers do not even know the difference between truckmount, portable, rotary , dry cleaning or whatever. They hear lots of "I have the best" no matter who they call so it loses its meaning.
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 02/October/2010 at 3:50pm
Alexarz wrote:
When I bought the Everest, I thought it would help me close sales. It didn't. I would tell people that it had 650 cfm, nearly 300 degrees of heat etc. and it went in one ear and out the other. We have only been using portables a few months and only one customer made a remark about it and even he changed his tune once he saw how well the carpet came out. I'm not using some 2 stage entry level Ninjas here. |
1 customer in a few months? Wait until you use them for 25yrs.. By the way can you show all of us pics of your setups? Post it in the CarpetCleaningHangout under
forum_posts.asp?TID=2094&title=pics-of-your-rig-tools - Pic�s of your Rig/Tools....
Do you by chance promote for John Lababa? Seems like you do! 
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Posted By: Alexarz
Date Posted: 02/October/2010 at 6:44pm
John L wrote:
Alexarz wrote:
When I bought the Everest, I thought it would help me close sales. It didn't. I would tell people that it had 650 cfm, nearly 300 degrees of heat etc. and it went in one ear and out the other. We have only been using portables a few months and only one customer made a remark about it and even he changed his tune once he saw how well the carpet came out. I'm not using some 2 stage entry level Ninjas here. |
Do you by chance promote for John Lababa? Seems like you do!  |
It is very simple minded to make such an assumption just because I recently bought an M5 and booster. I even criticized both in some areas, although my overall impression of the machines is very good. I do not know John LaBarbera at all.
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Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 03/October/2010 at 1:04pm
I am selling the home I am in and had my company come and clean my carpets.
I am pissed they did not use a truckmount.
My carpets are soft from the cleaning BUT a couple of areas where we walk with no shoes or socks still show a loss of texture that I am sure would have come out with the high heat of a truckmount. The carpets were also damp in a couple of areas overnight.
There is no doubt in my mind that TM is where its at. However you need to reach a different pricepoint to make it profitable.
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Posted By: Alexarz
Date Posted: 04/October/2010 at 7:18pm
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 04/October/2010 at 8:24pm
Alexarz wrote:
John L wrote:
Alexarz wrote:
When I bought the Everest, I thought it would help me close sales. It didn't. I would tell people that it had 650 cfm, nearly 300 degrees of heat etc. and it went in one ear and out the other. We have only been using portables a few months and only one customer made a remark about it and even he changed his tune once he saw how wet the carpet came out. I'm not using some 2 stage entry level Ninjas here. |
WGAS!
Do you by chance promote for John Lababa? Seems like you do!  |
it is very simple minded to make such an assumption just because I recently bought an M5 and booster. I even criticized both in some areas, although my overall impression of the machines is very good. I like John LaBarbera, all of him.!  |
Hey, Just asking a simple question to a simple minded person?
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Posted By: Alexarz
Date Posted: 04/October/2010 at 9:18pm
John L wrote:
Alexarz wrote:
John L wrote:
Alexarz wrote:
When I bought the Everest, I thought it would help me close sales. It didn't. I would tell people that it had 650 cfm, nearly 300 degrees of heat etc. and it went in one ear and out the other. We have only been using portables a few months and only one customer made a remark about it and even he changed his tune once he saw how wet the carpet came out. I'm not using some 2 stage entry level Ninjas here. |
WGAS!
Do you by chance promote for John Lababa? Seems like you do!  |
it is very simple minded to make such an assumption just because I recently bought an M5 and booster. I even criticized both in some areas, although my overall impression of the machines is very good. I like John LaBarbera, all of him.!  |
Hey, Just asking a simple question to a simple minded person?
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It is very simple minded to write a statement and follow it with a question mark. Let me guess; you did not get such high grades in English class.
For the record, we have been enjoying excellent dry times with the Mytee M5 + AirHog Booster. |
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 06/October/2010 at 7:09pm
unfortunately the everest cannot run itself because apparently you can't either as that machine should sell itself? Never send a boy to do a man's job?
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Posted By: westcovina
Date Posted: 25/December/2010 at 5:36pm
I use both. I don't know about your TM but mine is much more powerful than the porty. I will choose the TM over the porty whenever the situation allows. Obviously the TM can't clean a condo on the 10th floor.
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Posted By: NJPSR
Date Posted: 27/December/2010 at 9:29am
I had a TM but went back to a porty and my
orbot for encapping. The places I clean and where
I need to put my vehicle it just works out better.
Nick
------------- N.J.P. Property Maintenance, "We take care of all your cleaning needs"
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Posted By: kevinj61
Date Posted: 09/January/2011 at 3:01pm
no body should knock anybody's equipment-TM or Porty--It's the person using the equipment that really matters. An average cleaner will be an average cleaner no mater what equipment he or she uses, a great cleaner will be a great cleaner no matter what equipment he or she uses
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Posted By: kevinj61
Date Posted: 09/January/2011 at 3:02pm
TM's and portys both have their advantages and disadvantages
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