The Floorcovering Institute
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Topic: The Floorcovering Institute
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Subject: The Floorcovering Institute
Date Posted: 13/July/2004 at 9:15pm
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of Ontario presents one of our industry's leading teachers, Dr. Eric Brown in Mississauga, Ontario (the suburbs of Toronto)on Aug 20-22 for a Woolsafe technician and/or inspector class. Dr. Brown is a leading authority on cleaning and inspection and will also be offering certification through his Cleaning Research International. For more info please contact the FIO at 905-822-2280 |
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 13/July/2004 at 10:11pm
Lee: Maybe I should try to return to your city of???? Tell me again why someone would want to visit Toronto. Hope to attend anyway since it is Mississauga. I should know soon if that will be possible. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 19/August/2004 at 2:42pm
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Are all you GTA cleaners attending this seminar? Or is everyone going to sit by the phone incase they miss that $30.00 carpet cleaning job? This could pay for it self in no time. Unless you already know all there is to know. Unfortunately I am not that fortunate. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 20/August/2004 at 9:14pm
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I didn't see to many of the GTA'S finest there. I guess they should find a place to hold these seminars where the cleaners don't already know everything about Jack S**t. I guess that is why the cleaning prices are so high in the GTA everyone knows all there is to know. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: surroundings
Date Posted: 21/August/2004 at 5:45pm
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Doug, Woolsafe here won't register anyone with less then 5 years in the industry. After speaking to a couple of chaps who had taken the course, they were amazed at 1) what they had learned and 2) the vast amount of talent taking the course. No beginners asking the same questions, see? They both said that they learned as much during the breaks and over a couple of beers afterward as they learned in the seminar. Did you enjoy it? Learn? Do you run into much wool there? |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 21/August/2004 at 6:27pm
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Allen: I feel it was well worth the drive. I donot live close to the real world of the GTA. It filled alot of voids in areas I thought I already had a good handle on. Strait answers no beating around the bush. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 22/August/2004 at 10:27am
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no wonder the Big named companies are beating you all to the punch 15 to 1... because instead of getting your asses up... doing the marketing... do the advertising..... your at classes socializing
how was the Tea... was it good was it refreshing??? |
how much did it cost you douggie??? and was the information something you could share free here on the net for all of us who couldn't afford to go ??Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 22/August/2004 at 11:37am
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Mr. Steamer the big companies work on the same premis as you." Bulls**t Baffles Brains" ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 22/August/2004 at 2:28pm
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so I take it the tea was good.....lololololololol douggie my son.... what ever floats your boat.... let me help you out a little my boy..... put your bronze with a big names brass... you've just become un-stoppable good cleaners don't work any where long...because they know how good they are and eventually they want to become the boss where they can make all the money good companies can't keep good cleaners... because good help is very expensive good cleaners have no money to promote name good companies have lots money to promote but no good cleaners my point is SPEND THE MONEY and Shut THE BUCK UP MR. STEAMER is comming watch for a carpet near you |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 22/August/2004 at 5:42pm
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Mr. Steamer: It appears that everytime someone attends an educational function in an attempt to broden their horizons there is a problem. I don't claim like you to be master of all. Unfortunately when something of interest comes along where their is a chance of learning something new I try to attend. It all costs money, what you lose being away from your business and the costs to attend. If I were a big company I would tell the subs to attend at their own expense so I could reap the benifits, but I am a small company And to try and survive we have to try to make some kind of an attempt to stay on top of things as they evolve. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: surroundings
Date Posted: 22/August/2004 at 6:18pm
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At the IICRC course, there were several of the 'big boys' and lots of
little guys. A 'dry clean' franchise was represented with 4
attendees: 3 were franchise owners who had to pay their own way,
and the NEW state marketing manager, who had his course paid for.
He was going to be thier franchise-wide trainer. He had a
staggering 3WEEKS in the industry. HAHHAHAHHAHA. funny thing is, the smaller guys all paid for thier employees' training, and didn't pretend that they could bring this level of education 'in-house' -Allen |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 22/August/2004 at 8:22pm
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Allen: What some don't realize is in this business big companies don't help small companies they use and dispose of them. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 22/August/2004 at 11:18pm
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lack of money to compete is the small mans problem... I just sent out over 4000 dollars in advertising... it really should be 20,000 I should have half a page in the yellow pages......I don't I should have advertising on the side of my van.... I don't I should have someone telemarketing my services....I don't Why because the money isn't there to compete.... Sears spends thousands a month... just the yellow page bill in the area I work cost 2 grand a month..... flyers are flyin...telemarketers are Tellin.... us small guys have to start to think big... BIG BIG I tell you... go cheap get cheap customers...
I know business marketing and I know service ...if you have both money will never be your problem... it doesn't take a fleet of 50 trucks to make money... it takes one guy... the right advertising...and a great smile even if your missing teeth
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Posted By: surroundings
Date Posted: 23/August/2004 at 5:40am
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Steamer, I'm not quite understanding you... you are not provided these items like signing, telemarketing, and advertising? Or are you writing that from the point of view of a one-man operation? Get cheap customers? Not for me, baby... and I hope not for you. Do you have to send out your own advertising? And you work for a name brand company? If you do, then I'm a bit concerned over the contract you're on. I'm not being sarcastic. Dunno what half page ads cost for you. Get away from the main cities to the nearest rural area. Cheaper ads, less competition, more money. A telemarketer around here will work a week for about $800 through an agency. That's telemarketing, and putting info to a simple database for later reference. For $800 and phone costs, they don't even need an office of yours to work from. You get an Excel spreadsheet with names called, addresses, phone numbers, last time carpets were cleaned, and next contact date. It's brilliant, and gives you information to reuse. Bump up the response... send one colour A4 mailers with a special offer to an area, THEN have the telemarketer call, "We've recently sent you some information about our service, along with a coupon for one free room clean with every 3 rooms paid for? Do you remember getting that? We'd like to give you another reason to try our service now: we'll also give (insert special offer here: $10 to your favorate charity, half off carpet protection, a $20 voucher for one of your friends...) if you book your carpets to be cleaned. The best thing about this is... you can book up to 6 months in advance... <get the point?> Van signage for me was $600. That's an expense that'll last 6 or 8 years, so the cost is negligeable in the long run. Don't think big... think niche. Guerrilla Marketing. Check out Jay Conrad Levinson in your search engine of choice. Or don't. I've been in it for 6 months and I'm not rolling in it yet. I didn't expect to be at this stage though. BUT...winter's finishing. We've had about 4 days of good weather, and I've already got a full week. I think we'll be ok. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 23/August/2004 at 7:37am
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Allen: As I have stated all small companies do is pay the big comapnies Pay Pay. You continue to pay and be part of the problem or stop and become part of the solution. This type of skimming off the top should be illegal because I think it is a crime. the harder you work the richer they get. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 23/August/2004 at 3:56pm
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no... allen I comming from the point of think big..... never go cheap.... service service service... we all complain... (doug) about Sears killing the market...but let me tell you they make MONEY.... even I make money off their jobs... why because they spend money too.... the little guy like doug... cries everytime he has to do a little advertising.. for the first 5 years advertising should be 60% of your total operating cost... then you relax with all the customers that you have given good service to... you can scale back the advertising because your name is built.. you can go for referals.. etc etc etc but you have to drop the bucks.... think small...you'll stay small... you'll get small calls... your bank account will get smaller and smaller |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 23/August/2004 at 6:08pm
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Mr. Steamer: Who the hell are you trying to kid? Big companies don't go cheap. They have you as a sub don't they. If they had to pay even half of what the work was actually worth they would do it them selves. But as long as they got the likes of you who they can pay nothig why do it yourself? You can make more off the all the wanabes. Lets face it you are there becaues they sell you as a package of what I don't know. But you are there because you can't sell yourself. Unlike all the so called small owner operators do on a daily bases. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: surroundings
Date Posted: 24/August/2004 at 12:09am
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I don't get it... on one hand you say that you'll leave stains & a
room takes you 15 minutes.... on the other hand you say that you've
gotta never go cheap.... Wich is it? From the sounds of it... and correct me if I'm wrong here... you are advocating giving a cheap service at a cheap price while using expensive advertising. Yes? |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 24/August/2004 at 7:30am
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I guess words can't explain..... there are no stains that soap and water can't take out..... paint....no so thats an extra charge... gum no thats a extra charge... ink may be... but maybe no...so thats an extra charge.... dirt..np... most food stains np..... grease np... these are 90 of all stains found in carpet... so don't waste your time trying to get out 5 year old paint spill...get my drift.... interpetation is a hard thing isn't it... doug... if you where doing the advertising... had an office with staff.. it would probally run you the money I don't get as a sub...sit down and figure it out..
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 24/August/2004 at 8:12am
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Mr.Steamer: I brought this post back just to inform readers that the Woolsafe seminar was of some interest. But as usual you try to discredit anyone who attempts to better themselves through education. I have nothing else to say on this subject here. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 24/August/2004 at 6:58pm
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