Truck mount proven to be second best
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Topic: Truck mount proven to be second best
Posted By: bubbleberry
Subject: Truck mount proven to be second best
Date Posted: 04/March/2008 at 12:11pm
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Well guys, I just came back from the IICRC Carpet Cleaning certification class. During the class we compared various methods of cleaning, marking each on things like ease of use, performance,set up cost, ongoing expence,customer perception etc etc.We then tested all of the different machines, so that all the operators had a chance to try them.We used encap, bonnet, hwe both truck and porty, shampoo, dry foam and dam. While the scores were not scientific, they do show that bonnet is a viable means of cleaning... the scores were bonnett 31 dam 22 Shampoo 26 dry foam 25 encap 30 hwe 29 I know all the hwe guys will scream, but the main reason it scored lower was set up cost and ongoing expence.But what was more suprising, especially as I went on the course with the idea of moving to hwe, is that on a large dirty carpeted surface, that was split into different sections, the bonnet out cleaned them all... I am posting this on the bonnet and truck mount pages, I hope we can get a fair reaction from both sides Bub ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
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Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 06/March/2008 at 11:32pm
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I offer TM HWE and Dryfoam/Shampoo to my clients. I prefer the TM HWE, you cant beat the noise that a TM/HWE will bring to a cleaning. By noise I mean excitement. By excitement I mean interested clients who are already sold on the cleaning you offer. Big equipment, impressive looking and sounding. I often think that a good product is supposed to sell itself. Truckmounted cleaning sells itself. I started in this industry having to sell Shampoo cleaning. Sell Sell Sell. You have to spend alot of time and effort getting most people to believe in your product. The product does work, very well for that matter. However the product does not sell itself. Also I will say that I hate dragging in that buffer into a small house with tiny halls and lots of stairs. Nice Website by the way Bubble  ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 06/March/2008 at 11:40pm
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Also "proven" is a bit strong of a word for the title of this post. Considering its based on a few peoples opinion from an IICRC certification class. ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 06/March/2008 at 11:59pm
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Hi Fuzzsucker... Sorry...Proven is a strong word, but I was hoping to get some discussion going.I agree totall with everything you said about the truck-mount,.I have been looking at them for a few months now, and customer perception was one of the things the tm scored well on.But we both know that its not the equiptment that cleans carpets, its the person, and there are lots of people using expensive equipment that do a horrible job, and there are guys with rugdoctors who care and are great.But, the ones who make the money, in the long run, are the ones that show their worth and their skill.I think I have decided on a king cobra 1200 pro, and a rotary drimaster.Hooked up to an on truck generator the pro should do a great job as a truck mount in disguise, and on apartments and offices, its mobility scores well. As for the website, thanks, but thats a temporary site..the new one is looking like it will be tvery nice!! ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 09/March/2008 at 8:35pm
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I am surprised more people haven't responded in this topic. ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 09/March/2008 at 9:45pm
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Me too....seems perceptions are sacred...
------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 09/March/2008 at 9:47pm
We can argue about this forever, but we all know that the operator plays a big role in the results ------------- 
The STD Meter |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 09/March/2008 at 10:09pm
I agree...guess I was just trying to stir things up a bit...will take my trouble elsewhere
------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 09/March/2008 at 11:53pm
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Posted By: Atlantis
Date Posted: 24/March/2008 at 11:24am
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While the set up and operation cost of a TM may be significantly higher than a bonnet, the TM will always be more profitable because it will result is referrals and repeat business. Plus you can do flood restoration.. which is BIG BUCKS and upholstery, drapery, tile etc. etc. etc. So the equation is flawed. |
Posted By: bryan
Date Posted: 26/March/2008 at 12:27am
| Atlantis is right TM is a very versatile machine, I know guys using them for car detailing/ washing, pressure washing, air duct, tile and grout. So if you look at your selection above name another method that will do all this. Then if you look at all the revenue that it will generate from so many different services, most paying better then cleaning carpet, you will be way ahead. Customers do like the noise I have two truck mounts one with a 3.2 blower and one with a 5.9 blower very loud. I was afraid customers would complain about the noise but just the opposite they say that sound powerful. I also rarely have people that would come up to my smaller TM, but with the big TM it is almost a daily experience. Most look out there windows then as I am cleaning up they come over and start talking and asking questions. The investment is a though one though especial now with the economy slowing down. |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 26/March/2008 at 1:00am
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Ok so I have just bought a king cobra 1200. 212 heat, 150-1200 psi, 3 stage vac dual hard surface/carpet cleaning machine. I can clean ANYTHING a truck mount can.Carpets are dry as I am leaving, I can do car upholstery, furniture and a 30 story high rise apartment building. I use no gas, as it runs on electricity, when it needs serviced I can swap it out for another machine without losing any work, and it makes LOADS of noise. PLUS when I tell my customers that its not the song its the singer, when I tell them that my machine has the CRI Gold Standard, and when I tell them that truck mounts lose 1 degree of heat and one pound of pressure for every ft of hose,they usually get the picture. AND, i still have my bonnet machine sitting ready for those quicky jobs. No doubt the truck mount is handy, and powerful,and it makes lots of noise and uses lots of gas, but as I said before, its not the song, its the singer.  ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 26/March/2008 at 1:03am
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Oh, I forgot...pressure washing...easy,air duct cleaning...easy. Only down fall is the setup time, but thats getting shorter every time we use it, and the fact that we can do EVERY job, closed doors, apartment etc makes it worth while. ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 29/March/2008 at 11:08pm
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I have the same basic setup, except I'm using a Ninja with an RX-20. I have a dual speed buffer for enacap and pre-scrubbing tile&grout. In fact, the StoneTech guy I took a class from suggested pre-scrubbing with a buffer and then extracting at 500 psi. I still think I'd prefer 1000 psi, but the man said 500. It's been 2.5 years, and I'm ready to upgrade to a tm. In the beginning, having to spend more time didn't bother me, because business was light enough that I could spare the extra time. As my time becomes more valuable, the tm looks better and better. We've been asking our regular customers if they would be more impressed if we used a truckmount. Most say they only care about results, but some have liked the idea of us upgrading to a more robust system. Recently, someone was extremely disappointed that we didn't have a truckmount--his wife was supposed to make sure we had one, but I guess she failed that task. We offered to clean a sample area with no obligation. He liked what he saw and told us to go ahead with the work. By the time we left, his mood was great and he was telling us he'd be using our services twice a year. So sure, you can dazzle customers with your portable system, but sometimes it takes extra convincing, and that gets a little old. |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 30/March/2008 at 12:19am
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Your right Michael.Already the portable is getting old, lifting it in and out.But I do not think that the truck mount would make much difference to me.I have been operating with just the bonnet cleaning, and love the results, its so easy, no setting up, half the dry time. Today I did a commercial job, 2 buildings, each with 9 offices,one had decent carpet that had not been cleaned in about two years, the other had really old carpet, that had never been cleaned. I set up with the porty, he was impressed with the whole CRI gold seal talk, liked that I was able to show him HOT water and great suction,. Half way thru the better offices I got bored with the wand and pulled out the bonnet machine....its not for all carpets but I tell ya it works,easier,quicker and dryer. I then went into the reayy bad offices, and the bonnet stripped them down to new, it even took of hard, black,flat chewing gum. That being said, I foresee a day when I to will move to tm, just because of customer perception, which is a HUGE expense to justify. First though, I think I will try the rotary drimaster with the porty, and see how that setup works, and impresses. ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: bryan
Date Posted: 30/March/2008 at 4:59pm
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Bubbleberry lets put it this way ask any one that owns a TM if they would give it up for a porty. You just have to experience it you self to understand. I have a friend that works at the Lamborghini dealership I couldn't even explain how it feels to drive one. I own a turbo charged TA I though it was fast. So until you can experience the power of a TM you just wont understand. You can give me all the specks you want it still wont match a TM's power. I have used a porty for years and will never go back. Only use it for hight rise now. As for using a porty for presser washing I didn't know the cobra could do 3000 psi's my mistake. Do you also tell you customers that the Rugdoctor at the grocery store is also CRI Space age approved, so this doesn't mean much to me. Have you used a porty for airducts? How much suctions do you have on a 35ft run not much. I'm not trying to burst you bubble but we are comparing apples and oranges. I do think the King cobra is one of the best portables though. |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 30/March/2008 at 5:56pm
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Bryan,. I agree totally.But its not just about power.I sold Porshes for many years in Europe, but always wanted a Ferarri.One of my customers came in, and offered to let me drive the one he was trying to get rid of.It looked the part, but was a pain in the ass to drive round town, hard to park, uncomfortable, heavy on fuel and cost a mint to service.Just like your truck mount... I have used the TMS, side by side with a porty and my old faithful, the bonnet.The bonnet cleaned the smile off all of their faces, but I know that there are times that hot water is the ONLY way, and some of the times, truck mount is the ONLY way. But, having seen them all, used them all, and compared them all, if given the choice I would go like this.. 1/ bonnet...easy,quick,low cost 2/ tm.........hot,powerful, easier than the porty, EXPENSIVE TO OWN & OPERATE 3.porty.......PAIN IN THE AS* ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: Robert_EcoDry
Date Posted: 30/March/2008 at 7:07pm
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Hey Bubbleberry, what are you using for a bonnet-cleaning prespray? I used to work for Chem-Dry, and their bonnet system is impressive, but there were carpets where HWE was necessary. I'm interested in what you use to break up the dirt in the carpet.
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Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 30/March/2008 at 7:17pm
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Hey Robert. It all depends on what type of fiber I am dealing with and what type of dirt. The main ingredient is Hydrogen Peroxide. To that I add a number of different things depending on the conditions.I had a company develop a product for me.It uses natural surfactants,citrus oils etc. As the man said, its the secret blend of herbs and spices... ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 31/March/2008 at 12:39am
be careful with that hydrogen peroxide.  ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 31/March/2008 at 1:34am
It's OK in moderation -------------
The STD Meter |
FuzzSucker wrote:Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 31/March/2008 at 12:18pm
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moderation is the key there. ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: bryan
Date Posted: 02/April/2008 at 1:00am
| Bubble I am glad you are a reasonable person. I again have used both tm and porty never bonnet so don't know about that. Most people say what they are using is the best thing in the world and have never used any other method. If you look at any of my post I have never said any thing about bonnet due to the fact I have not personally tried it. Again using a portable for some years then going to a tm, I was like why didn't I do this move long time ago. So am not so think headed any more, if something cleans better and faster I'm on board. |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 05/April/2008 at 12:26am
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OP is pretty sweet if you are doing a commercial glue down carpet, knit Berber, or a "lightly soiled" plush carpet. Plus your not putting hours on your TM if you don't have to. I say get a VLM system and keep it board its overall less expensive than running a TM and way faster than screwing around with a Porty. If customers want a VLM cleaning and I think its appropriate for their circumstances, I will gladly do it. ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 05/April/2008 at 12:41am
I agree. Match the equipment and method to the job on an individual basis -------------
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Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 05/April/2008 at 12:47am
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Hey Fuzz & Bryan, I agree with you both.The porty is proving not to be the way to go FOR ME,.It is looking very like a mixture of the bonnet for vlm, & tm for those willing to pay, or for jobs where the bonnet is a no go due to fiber type or customer type. If its one thing the IICRC course taught me, you do not need a big hammer to drive a small nail.Like you said Bryan, "if something cleans better and faster I'm on board. " I am looking at setting up a 2 level price point. 1 is for those who want all the furniture moved, who want the full works, in which case out comes the tm. The other is for those who want the traffic areas and around the furniture (absloutly know lifting unless they have a disability or are elderly), and for this out comes the bonnet (as long as conditions approve) Do any of you guys run a 2 tier price model? Have any of you tried encap? Bub ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 08/April/2008 at 11:38pm
stop it cmaster your making me blush. ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 09/April/2008 at 2:20am
OK. No more compliments for you -------------
The STD Meter |
Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 11/April/2008 at 7:48pm
Yes, we do both hwe and encap. We used to to have a two-tier price structure based on that, plus add-ons for stain guard, deodorizer, etc. We recently began using an encap product that comes with Maxim stain guard included, so we've made both services the same price, where the encap comes standard with stain guard and the rotary hot extraction doesn't. Our pricing structure has nothing to do with furniture moved. If someone wants a lot of furniture moved, I just won't comp anything. The customer who asks for only open areas will probably get a free hall and couple bedrooms counted together as one area or something. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 18/April/2008 at 9:34pm
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I'm lookin to get that new OP machine Rhuby came out with..
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 19/April/2008 at 10:11pm
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This was posted on the ICS BB .. Opinions will vary.. Posted By http://i-boards.com/ics/profile.asp?UserID=2802 - Todd Benne on 4/19/2008 at 1:04 PM
I only do hwe with a tm. The last few weeks I have run across two very bad experiences where the carpet had been previously only cleaned with OP. One place strictly a bonnet approach the other location an alternating hwe and encap process. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 20/April/2008 at 1:47pm
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I charge more if I use my op machine??? go figure?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 20/April/2008 at 2:12pm
For every situation where OP did not perform successfully there is a HWE issue right next door. put the cleaner where it needs to be. I will agree that HWE is a must in nasty restaurants or ruff looking carpet in general. I never use HWE on any of the office buildings I do except for one where they have a mechanics shop in the back that tracks oil in all over the place. For most offices, that have the standard light office traffic, I have me old chemstractor for those. I will sometimes follow up with a quick pass with a bonnet. I find they stay cleaner longer with the right products. Here is a office traffic area I cleaned a slice of with the chemstractor.  ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 20/April/2008 at 3:53pm
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Looks great -------------
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Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 21/April/2008 at 11:58am
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its a good machine. beats running hoses up to the fourth floor any day. ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: pureorganic
Date Posted: 13/May/2008 at 11:15pm
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wow... you guys are impressed with a piece equipment that makes loud noise...ha. you have lost all sight of the simplicity of cleaning. with my own scared solution that NO ONE else has.... 100% pure organic.... its a left in cleaner. i warrant all my work for 6 months.... cuz i clean with quality, i back with confidence. i do 10% of the work, my solution does 90%. You think the LOUDER and more POWERFUL machines you get it will do better.... all i can is laugh ------------- Pure Organic Cleaning www.pureorganiccleaning.com |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 14/May/2008 at 12:02am
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No one else has... http://www.naturellclean.com/ ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 14/May/2008 at 12:07am
| Jared.. Is your website done? I went to it and nothing showing in the center just on the left side with red x's.. Green everywhere else.. |
Posted By: pureorganic
Date Posted: 14/May/2008 at 12:26am
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its almost done... yes but you can try my solution.. its better
------------- Pure Organic Cleaning www.pureorganiccleaning.com |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 14/May/2008 at 12:34am
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Jared,what does it smell like?? bub ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: pureorganic
Date Posted: 14/May/2008 at 1:22am
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wierd question bub... smells like a fermented wine or some even say soy sauce... i have it down to the taste and smell.
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Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 14/May/2008 at 1:42am
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Why a weird question....? I heard that the Naturell had a bad smell, and I know that customers like little, or if any, a pleasant smell...
------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 12:14am
Actually pureorganic I think you are missing the point. The big noise and sound effects of a cleaning machine like a TM is all part of the show. Like when a magician does a trick with an explosion and a puff of smoke. Its adds to the show and make a more impressive performance for the audience (client). I am no opponent of LM cleaning or portables, but the "noise" and presence of the truckmounts attracts more excitement from the customer. I love using my portables and LM system (the price of gas helps with this) they clean just as well in most cases. Just some clients no matter what you do and say to them will always want what they think (or where told by their best friend's babymama who worked for a cleaner for a summer in 1978) is better no matter what you say and do. Its annoying but its true. ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: pureorganic
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 12:56am
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true that... some people just arent educated about it i guess.
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Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 1:16am
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pureorgan did you ever get an answer to your question... "so is 45$ a room to expensive? or should we just charge by the square footage? which is the best approach my fellow carpet cleaning lads?".... Seems someone with your experience and technical knowledge could answer that  ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 1:24am
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hey bub what did you end up getting. TM, port, dry, roto? ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 1:25am
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lol "pureorgan"
Ill show you a pure-organ
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Posted By: pureorganic
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 2:02am
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im a scientist not a carpet cleaner.
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 2:52am
Put your pants back on. This ain't the porn board  -------------
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Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 9:35am
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OK, for the scientist, I would advise starting at either $0.20 per sqft, or there abouts. To many of us base or prices on our competition, not on our costs.Take an IICRC Class,and think about how much it costs to operate on a day to day basis,including your wages, and some profit,and base your price on that. Regional factors such as gas prices and advertising costs will come into effect, as will the cost of living, and of course the high price of your magic formula... Also ,and I mean this in sincerity, think about taking the goggle ads off your website,and getting someone to clean it up for you....sorry, no offense but it does not make me think of a scientific carpet cleaner.The only thing your site needs to sell is YOU! You will get alot of help on this board, if you acknolege what you do not know and stop trying to tell everyone how much you do... "wow... you guys are impressed with a piece equipment that makes loud noise...ha. .you have lost all sight of the simplicity of cleaning. with my own scared solution....." Oh and I would be careful when I tell people that your product is "a left in cleaner"...people will know that this simply means that you cannot extract it all, better to ignore it than to try to bullsh*t people, many of your customers will be smarter than you... Good luck with your venture!!! ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: bubbleberry
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 12:28pm
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Hey Fuzz I got a king cobra 1200 pro, from us products, great machine, if you have a two man operation, it has the power of a truck mount, but it might as well be a truck mount, it is so heavy, so I sold it. Am thinking about another portable though...truck mount is easier,quicker,and in many ways more powerful, but gas prices are going to soar, and I really do not want to be stuck with a tm, if I can find a good portable that does the job. US Products make another 500psi machine, 3 stage vac with 212 heat, that is a true portable, only issue is filling and refilling.... Any ideas?? If I could get a TM, and put it into a hybrid, then I would go with that,if I could afford it, and if there was a hybrid commercial van... ------------- its only carpet http://www.natradry.com - www.natradry.com |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 15/May/2008 at 4:43pm
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Some of you guys worry too much about TM gas.. It's the Vehicle you should be considering more.. Mine don't use 2-3gal per hr.. 3/4gal hr and thats peanuts for the tradeoff for power and speed.. What took me 6hrs with my porty it only takes 4hrs with the TM.. So 3.75gal/hr x 3.80gal = $15 in gas big deal.. your there 2hrs longer.. How much are you worth per hr? Now while your still at your first job I'm at thesecond one half done and look at all that money made while your still at your first job worrying about TM gas....
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Posted By: FuzzSucker
Date Posted: 16/May/2008 at 11:03am
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only 3/4 per hour? what king of engine do you have on your machine? ------------- http://thepremierclean.com - http://thepremierclean.com | http://carpetcleaning-coloradosprings.com - Colorado Springs Carpet Cleaning |
Posted By: FreshAire
Date Posted: 16/May/2008 at 11:10am
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think the guru meant 3and3/4 (3.75) at least that's what his equation was based on! |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 16/May/2008 at 12:28pm
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No.. three fourths of 1...........3/4th..
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Posted By: mbageezer
Date Posted: 09/September/2008 at 11:57pm
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Hi,
I would like to know the results of hooking the drimaster to your porty ? I am new to the business and i am thinking of getting the king cobra 1200 PRO. PLEASE ADVICE. And also will like to know if the KING COBRA is easy to move around and is it easy to transport in and out of your van or vehicle ? ------------- CASH IS KING |
Posted By: mbageezer
Date Posted: 09/September/2008 at 11:58pm
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I would like to know the results of hooking the drimaster to your porty ? I am new to the business and i am thinking of getting the king cobra 1200 PRO. PLEASE ADVICE.
And also will like to know if the KING COBRA is easy to move around and is it easy to transport in and out of your van or vehicle ? ------------- CASH IS KING |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 10/September/2008 at 9:21am
You might want to think twice maybe three times about the KC.. It only has one 3 stage vac.....
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