If u had to clean area rugs all day
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Topic: If u had to clean area rugs all day
Posted By: mrbreeze
Subject: If u had to clean area rugs all day
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 4:25pm
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Hi, Here is a question... Let's say I gave you 2000 sq ft of space, boiling hot water, and maybe a rugbadger. You have to clean 5o cheap polypropolyne type area rugs a day at least. You need to dry them in that space too. You can't use chemicals, just hot water. A, What type of portable would you use? Brand.. B, How much PSI, and lift? C, What kind of wand ? It is an honest question, and a lot to consider. The unit should have enough lift to help with the drying, the wand should be good so you get it done faster, and don't kill yourself... All things to consider. I look forward to your thoughts. Mrbreeze PS, You only get $ 8 a rug. |
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Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 4:53pm
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I would not do it! ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 6:22pm
| Ok, you can use a pre treat low cost. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 6:46pm
 For $8 each? Not a freakin chance------------- 
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Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 6:56pm
| Umm.. that would be $400 a day. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 7:03pm
Go ahead and do it -------------
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 7:37pm
People on the Red Bored make that much money in an hour or less. That's pocket change to them, eh?  ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
mrbreeze wrote:Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 8:26pm
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50 rugs vcuum--clean--hang to dry--take down-- most likely some will need recleaned--roll up -- start over again. $400.00 sounds like a long--hard day to me. All this with a portable--better get a Steamin Demon ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 10:24pm
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Better get at least $25 per rug -------------
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Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 10:30pm
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I'll do it in 1/2 a day and I want the full $400.00 ------------- 
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 13/February/2008 at 10:39pm
If you are a POG, $400 in a 1/2 day looks good, eh?  ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 1:39am
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What size are the rugs..................
Nightrider
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 7:39am
| Yes NR thats the question.. what size are the rugs? |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 9:18am
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8x10 Mrbreeze |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 10:43am
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Not to change the subject, but how can all these portable companies keep claiming to have " truck mount power" Is'nt that like a 9 volt battery claiming to have nuclear power? |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 11:29am
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A super porty can equal a small crappy TM -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 12:02pm
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who has a big enough shop to clean 50 rugs at one time? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 12:38pm
| 2000 sq feet should do it |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 1:24pm
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Doug ..........if the rug is 8 x 10................you only need a space of 625 sq. feet. or 25 x 25 . If it's warm outside they can dry there. If not add another 625 sq. ft to be comfortable enough for 3 guys.Not sure I would do it for 8 bucks. Nightrider |
Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 1:49pm
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Dry time on olefin area rugs is nothing. Especially if you have drying racks you can set up, take it off your list of special considerations. Prespray with a hot Tide solution, maybe agitate with a grandi brush, rinse/extract with a cheap portable, hang to dry. They got what they paid for, and they'll look fine. How often will these be cleaned? |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 2:11pm
| Often, everyday 50 more, 7 days a week. And you have the right attitude, they spend a little money, and get a decent cleaning. Here is a question, do they make a prespray for fleas? |
Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 2:36pm
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Yes, you can get a flea treatment. I've used M7 with mixed success. Just to be clear, after a set of rugs is cleaned, how lon before those rugs are re-cleaned? |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 2:41pm
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Mrbreeze... it's winter time now...if you not busy know those 50 rugs out. 400 bucks is ok... it's easy work... I would cimex them all they are just polyprop... vac ...cimex..5 mins to dry...wrap and deliver.. you are laughing all the way to the bank.
In slow season you can fool around with little sh*tty jobs, there is time to kill
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Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 3:12pm
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Ah.. But I am an American, living way way over here in Eastern Europe, people have no money and there is not much for chemicals. And they are too expensive anyway. I was looking into a pelican, all that cfm and only 7" of mercury lift. They want top dollar for it too. I need a good machine if it breaks, it's over. I have 25.000 rugs to do. Coming on a boat. Long story |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 14/February/2008 at 4:50pm
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The lift is way too low, and this machine only produces 5"HG lift when you are actually cleaning. Cfm drops to only about 50 cfm while cleaning too. You need a Titan. More power, less cost. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 12:33am
I wonder where he can get a Titan? No I don't. I wonder how he can get a Titan delivered to him? -------------
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 12:36am
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We do deliver to anywhere in Europe, so no problem.After the Titans get made in Asia, we will deliver them to China too. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 12:41am
Wow. More delusions -------------
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Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 12:57am
| Even if there really was a " Titan " who wants anything built in Asia, they make crap. The Pelican is made in Switzerland and anything they build last forever. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 1:07am
Great. Now Kenny will be telling us that he's having them built in Switzerland -------------
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Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 7:29am
| LOL |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 9:40am
| Ken Hariris the maker of the Super GLIES!!!!!! |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 2:15pm
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all you need is a launch pad for the Titan and he is set to go?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 4:00pm
| Are 4 jets on a wand better than two? |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 15/February/2008 at 5:48pm
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About the same. 2 are best for 12" wide or less, and 4 are best to go on 14" wands.Cant properly cover the width with 2 jets. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 16/February/2008 at 3:42am
| I am still not sure about the best method in this area rug low cost venture. I want their rug to look better and for them to be happy, on the other hand the wand method looks like it could be back breaking. There are so many items on the market claiming to do things it is hard, and risky, to try something. It reminds me off the pocket fisherman. What about this jetless rotary extraction? Looks easy on the back, few passes over the poly rug, vac, shrink wrap it and on to the next one? Any ideas would be well recieved. This has to be a reliable method as well. If it goes down, I have rugs piling up. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/February/2008 at 7:22am
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Most reliable is still a clothsline and a broom for beating the rugs. It does not quit to you do.
That said, get a wand for back-up but get a RX20 for cleaning them for you. It is still the most reliable of all rotarys out there and will outclean a wand in both results and consistancy.  ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 16/February/2008 at 7:59am
| Thanks for the advice. You are up early over there. Will the rdm model work? Looks a little lighter? Will it clean an 8x10 poly area rug faster, cheaper, than a wand? And will it also do other fibered area rugs? |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/February/2008 at 2:05pm
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RDM will not clean anywhere near as well. It cleans surfaces only, not deep down. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 16/February/2008 at 2:09pm
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RX20 will clean them faster than a wand? How fast 8x10 compared to wand? Thanks, The Breeze |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/February/2008 at 2:48pm
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At least 2X faster if you are cleaning them to a quality clean because you have to go over many more time with a wand. Your arms get tired, but the RX20 doesn't. The more you clean, the more the difference in time is going to be. For the amount of rugs you are cleaning, I wouldn't go any other way. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 16/February/2008 at 4:48pm
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I am concerned that this RX20 may have some trouble with the fact that it is an area rug and not held down, there is also an issue with getting up to the outer edges? Maybe the RV360? |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 16/February/2008 at 6:48pm
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Back in the mid 80's I had 35 windows of Brown Velvet Drapes to clean ( take down & hang ) I was new to this and quoted a low price , only to find out it would be costing me money.............................so I put them in commercial dryers, folded them in orange garbage bags...........brought them back warm as toast, hung them up SPRAYED " BAN-O "..............OWNERS SMELLED THEM,..... WERE HAPPY.....PAID ME.....I WAS HAPPY...................
Just spray Ban-O and forget all this crap about cleaning, grab your 8 bucks each and have a nice day.
Nightrider
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Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 16/February/2008 at 10:16pm
| You're right, Mr. Breeze. An RX-20 on olefin area rugs will be difficult if you don't have someone holding them down. I don't know why Ken is worried about "deep cleaning" on pos olefin rugs either. Besides, an RX-20 or Drimaster will be a few thousand bucks on top of the cost of the extractor. Steamer had a good suggestion with a Cimex or some other kind of bonnet/encap method, except that the chemical is more expensive--just water won't cut it. On all other levels it's a better option: faster, drier, easier on the back. Just place the rugs edge to edge, and you'll eventually get good at swinging the machine from one rug to the next without stopping. If you use this method, get a soda canister and pressurize it with CO2 instead of using a pump sprayer. It's more efficient--with the volume you're talking about, you should save some bills in chemical cost. |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 4:14am
| I understand $8 does not sound like a lot of money. But, keep in mind I am in Eastern Europe and $ 8 bucks here is a lot of money... Esp when the rug itself only retails for about $35. For example... I have a wife, a 3yr old, and a 2 yr old. It cost me about $ 80 a week to feed them, instead of the $250 it would in the U.S. But, here $80 a week is a lot of money. So it is equal to the $250. So, $8 here is equal to getting $25 to clean an area if you break it down buy median income standards. When you or I go to Mexico and buy a Corona it seems like they give it away, but to a Mexican it is expensive. I am not sure about this Rugbadger machine but this seems like it would be the first logical step in this application. These area rugs can hold some dirt. If it works, hit'em with this Badger and then do something. Kenny has some good insight, but banging them on a clothsline is not going to do it. I did look into the Cimex after Steamer mentioned it, but the brush looks like it could do a number on these rugs, like dropping an electric mixer into a bowl of ping pong balls. This situation is like that Chinese proverb... " From everything good something bad, from everything bad something good." |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 9:01am
| no Mrbreeze not brushes on the cimex...pads...with some encap juice.... it'll be the easiets 50 rugs you'll ever do... |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 11:47am
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Sure..... If you enjoy spreading the dirt around rather than removing it. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 4:48pm
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does it look clean? YES /....will you get paid???..yes
it's encap ...you vac the dirt crystals away after it dries. Don't fill the man's head with your foolishness Ken
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 6:23pm
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You are being paid to remove the dirt, not hide it. If you tell your clint that you are going to hide the dirt, not remove it, that is fine. Disclosure is good. But if you are not telling him this because you want to get paid, that is un-ethical IMO. I would not do that. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 7:06pm
Okay. Ken, please bear in mind that I don't regularly jump on the anti-Ken bandwagon, so this isn't personal. But damn, total bs in that last post. You've been in the industry long enough to know that "clean" is usually just shorthand for "make it look better." The process/apparatus we employ has as much to do with the show we put on as much as actual effectiveness. If he's not putting on a show (i.e. not being supervised) and just getting paid for the immediate results, then "hiding dirt"  is fine. The rugs will get dirty with use anyway, and they'll need them re-cleaned again when they're back in port, which he can do for them. You're a salesman, right? Probably way better than I am. Even I know baby step 1: know your customer/audience. Fast, simple, impressive results are paramount.Damn, if I knew I had a 400.00 a day gig waiting for me in Eastern Europe, knowing how far a dollar goes there, I'd relocate for the helluvit. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 8:43pm
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I agree with SGG on that one ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 9:31pm
Michael: You also have to feel good about what you are doing after you did it. My test for that is this: Would the customer be just as willing to hand you his money for the job you did IF he understood that you were hiding the dirt to make it look good, rather than removing it to make it look good? Remember, the more soil left behind, the shorter the carpet life due to the cutting of the face fibers at the base of the carpet from the silica NOT removed.Chemistry used today MAY be able to control the rate of resoil rate, but it cannot negate this. And dont even try to tell me that the soil gets removed later when carpet is vacuumed. This has been proven over and over again as a LIE. Very little material is removed afterwards. While I do agree with you that the work we do is evaluated on an appearance basis, there are 2 ways to get there. You can remove most(never all)of the soil as your equipment allows. That is called source removal. OR, you can pull the wool over your customers eyes and hide the dirt, and just hope your customer is not smart enough to understand your process, and ask where the dirt goes. I vote for source removal. It may not pay as much per man hour as hiding the dirt, but I prefer to feel proud about about the quality of the job I just did, and earned the money I got for it. If that means I am uncompetitive on some of my commercial bids as a result, I can live with that. If you do not have pride in the way you conduct yourself, you got nothing. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 10:22pm
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Ken doesn`t clean... and cimex or encapping kills glide sales.
Have you not seen crystalized dirt from encapping???
PULEASE you are full of sh*t.
If it looks clean and it stays clean IT'S F'IN CLEAN IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you are the last person that I want to hear talk about principals because you don't have any
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 10:27pm
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I'm posting again...
steam them and when they look like sh*t(but are clean) tell that to the customer
cimex them and be loved by the customer because they look great and get paid.
Ken isn't for the customer he wouldn't understand customer service..
Carpet cleaners are his customers...and he talks down at them all the time...he has no clue how to service his business.. He calls us dumb carpet cleaners.
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 17/February/2008 at 11:49pm
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 12:44am
You are the all time reigning king of unethical. Give us a f'n break -------------
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Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 5:36am
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Hi, I guess I would ask all of you this, no matter which method you use, what about smell? An old area rug could stink, and the smell would leave the impression that it was not cleaned, correct? Thanks, Breeze |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 8:55am
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Febreeze? You have to prequalify what you need to do before you clean each rug? Odours, stains, condition are just a few of the things to look for before you even prevac?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 12:05pm
| you said the rugs where poly...not wool.. poly shouldn't smell |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 12:15pm
| Trust me, some will stink, but my point was something that smells clean and fresh can be more impressive to a client than something that was simply cleaned. Dealing with people is always tough, they can be unreasonable and demanding. Give them an inch, they take a yard. That is a topic for another time. I don't know many Canadians maybe everybody is a sweetheart there. |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 12:30pm
| People, I had a job as a Zamboni driver at a rink in MA. All the rich people brought their kids there to play from 6am til 11pm. They rented the ice for 50 mins and all I had to do was run out and do a cut and go back to my nice office. Do you know what it was like trying to get these jerks off the ice when the 50 mins was up? Riots broke out. They rent it for 50 mins and they all thought they deserved it for 90 mins. I probably should'nt even bother cleaning rugs. Too many people to deal with. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 1:09pm
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I don't know many Canadians maybe everybody is a sweetheart there.
Yep, we are ALL sweethearts here alright. Even that pig farmer out in the Vancouver area that killed over 26 people and Clifford olsen. I hear they are sweethearts too. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 2:29pm
| Most Americans take out 26 people in school, during recess. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 3:14pm
You do have a point. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: mrbreeze
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 4:23pm
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Doug, Febreeze is not available here in Eastern Europe. However, "Sea Breeze" is widely available, all in tall thin cans, built well, and can be found anywhere you look. Unlike " sweathog" which is widely available back home in the U.S. |
Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 18/February/2008 at 6:35pm
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It's difficult to advise you beyond what people in this thread have already offered without seeing the rugs ourselves. Encap might be the best solution, but maybe it's not. You won't know until you get into the actual work. It's too bad you don't already have a bunch this equipment at your disposal. Best case scenario, you could test out the different methods and settle on the one that seems to work best for your purposes, then you wouldn't need figure it out based on all these conflicting opinions. The last couple of cruises I was on, the ships had olefin carpets throughout, the rough indoor/outdoor stuff. I would've encapped it. All this crap about "real" clean vs. "hiding dirt" might be best answered by looking at a thread posted last October: http://kleenkuip.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4326&KW=myth&PID=124934#124934 - "The Myth We Call Carpet Cleaning." |
Posted By: Soil Lint Green
Date Posted: 23/February/2008 at 2:39pm
| mrbreeze has left the building. Just some marketing scum trying to get cleaners to think he was a guru. A snake that lay in hiding. Now, it is just us carpet cleaners and those who make what we use. :) |
Posted By: Soil Lint Green
Date Posted: 23/February/2008 at 2:52pm
What part of Canada was that again? If you are going to lie to us at least be consistent. Some of us do check the posts anyone makes here to get a feel for what the person is all about. And you are a real mess. One moment you claim to be living in Canada on your way to Switzerland, the next minute you are in Eastern Europe. Let me guess - you are actually an astronaut in space and the international space station takes you from continent to continent. That must be it. Just a hint guys - he claims to be a marketing genius who knows squat about carpet cleaning and then acts like he is a carpet cleaner wannabe. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 23/February/2008 at 5:39pm
Since when is Switzerland in Eastern Europe?  ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Soil Lint Green
Date Posted: 23/February/2008 at 6:07pm
since this mrbreeze bozo said he was heading out for a business trip to Zurich from Canada. If he was tangled fishing line he would have been cut and trashed for all the effort needed to un-snarl the birds nest of a mess he creates with his stories. I feel like we are playing a game of "Where In The World Is Carment Sandiego". I made a point of posting on nearly all threads by this guy to wreck any chance he might have at seperating someone from their money with all the seeds of desception he tossed around on this board. Now, I can rest.  ------------- It's ORY GUN, not OR A GONE. Learn to talk. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 24/February/2008 at 4:51am
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Maybe it's STD's alter ego -------------
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