cimex vs. op
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Topic: cimex vs. op
Posted By: kysweet
Subject: cimex vs. op
Date Posted: 13/January/2008 at 12:16pm
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This is a question for anyone who, can give me a educated answer on the cimex vs. op. I recently bought a cimex and I am using the fiber max pads, (grey ones). If you were trying to sell me a op machine how would you convince me that it doese a better job then a cimex. Keep in mind my cimex is strictly for my commecial accounts, I still use my tm for tile/grout, and residential carpet. I would also like to rid myself of the tm because of the hassle but have not anything that can compare for tile/grout or residential carpet. |
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Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 20/January/2008 at 8:23am
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Kysweet:
The cimex does a great job of encapping but only encapping, the idea of using an OP machine is so you not only use the encap product but you do two methods in ONE process.
The pads pick up the bulk of the soil, this allows the encap product to only work on the minimum amount of soil. Hence you can REMOVE the traffic lanes and nasty areas and everything will be even and much better looking. ------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |
Posted By: kysweet
Date Posted: 20/January/2008 at 11:15pm
| THANK YOU FOR THE REPLY. I USED THE CIMEX THIS WEEKEND AT A 5,000 SQ. FT. DOCTORS OFFICE THAT I USUALLY STEAM CLEAN. I WAS ABLE TO CLEAN ALL OF THE CARPET IN ABOUT 2.5 HOURS VERSUS ROUGHLY 7 TO 8 HOURS WITH MY TM. I WENT BACK TODAY TO SEE HOW THEY LOOKED DRY AND I WAS BLOWN AWAY WITH HOW CLEAN THEY WERE. I AM A TRUE FAN OF THE CIMEX NOW AND WILL USE THE TM AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO TRY A GOOD OP TO COMPAIR, IF I CAN GET ONE SOON I WILL INFORM EVERYONE ON THE RESULTS. |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 20/January/2008 at 11:35pm
If I was selling you an OP I would sell you a Cimex.
Who needs or wants stinky smelly pads in their truck? I hate doing laundry  ------------- 
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kysweet wrote:Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 23/January/2008 at 4:12pm
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kysweet,
Have a demo of both systems on the same carpet and level of soil and the visual soil on the OP pad will be staggering as opposed to the poly pads on the Cimex.
Explanations and talk is cheap. Do the visual demo and see for yourself.
Your decision should be:
Do you wand if easier for you? Or more soil removal for you client?
The soil absorbancy power of the cotton pad is awesome, but rewashing them is a chore that many detest. Both systems are considered Encapping as long as Encap products are being used.
Good Luck!  ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 23/January/2008 at 6:24pm
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If I was selling you an OP I would sell you a Cimex.
Who needs or wants stinky smelly pads in their truck? I hate doing laundry
Lol Splash and Dash, why should you care about quality or removing soil? What a joke! ------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 23/January/2008 at 10:00pm
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Padman, please translate to English I don't understand hillbilly. |
Posted By: opclean
Date Posted: 23/January/2008 at 10:34pm
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I NEVER KNEW A CIMEX WAS AN O.P Machine. Dash knows his stuff. ------------- Cleaning carpets is like a box of chocolate.You dont know what ya got till ya bite into it. |
Posted By: duckcountry
Date Posted: 06/January/2009 at 2:32am
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If I was selling you an OP I would sell you a Cimex.
Who needs or wants stinky smelly pads in their truck? I hate doing laundry We had a laundry sink in the kitchen when I was growing up. Mom did laundry by hand with a brush and washboard, then dried the clothes on a clothesline. That was doing laundry. Today, what do you do? Heavy manual labor putting the items in a washing machine and adding a small amount of carpet cleaning chemical as the detergent then turn the machine on? Oh, how exhausting. And then before going to bed you transfer them to the dryer and let it run. Oh, will the work never end? And then put the clean dry pads into the van in the morning, oh the back breaking work. How do some people ever find the energy to turn the key in the ignition? It simply boggles the mind. ------------- Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity? |
Posted By: FreshAire
Date Posted: 06/January/2009 at 2:40am
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Duck, what do you expect? O.P.ers are looking for an easier way to clean with the least work possible!! So washing up after yourself is simply not on the cards.... sheeesh!!! 
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Posted By: duckcountry
Date Posted: 06/January/2009 at 2:39pm
And O.Pers found it!  How's everythng down under, FreshAire? ------------- Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity? |
Posted By: FreshAire
Date Posted: 06/January/2009 at 5:53pm
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Hot'n'sweaty Duck- in the grip of summertime heat here at the moment with temps over 35C (around 100F) for the last week. Great for losing those excess Xmaskilos!!
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Posted By: Ken_Is_OK
Date Posted: 06/January/2009 at 6:11pm
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Do you use the same washing machine to wash both your OP pads and your wifes panties?
Now I'm not asking if you wash them together, rather if you do use the same machine?
just askin-
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Posted By: FreshAire
Date Posted: 06/January/2009 at 6:44pm
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Ken, I have a separate machine set up outside my house in a sheltered alcove, so I can walk down the driveway from my truck, to the machine, dump them in, then unlock my house and enter it. Given what you are likely to find on carpets, I have no real desire for cross-contamination with what I wear against my own skin! |
Posted By: duckcountry
Date Posted: 23/January/2009 at 3:20am
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We have our clothes washed by 20 virgins on the rocks in the river. Only the pads are cleaned using the washing machine. I thought everyone did it that way.
------------- Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity? |
Posted By: bigrich
Date Posted: 30/April/2010 at 9:35am
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I like both and I use both. I'm in the business of making carpets clean with as little energy possible while making money. ------------- www.AbcoClean.com |
Posted By: FreshAire
Date Posted: 30/April/2010 at 10:31am
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PS for those who care I have used FibrePlus pads on my orbital and they have worked great, but for soil removal, you can't go past the cotton pads, or in particular Gladiator Pads if you want something that will go the distance. With the Cimex, in a commercial situation they might be able to get a fair bit of speed up, but I'd daresay that with Padman's new beast, that crown may be in question and the Cimex has the disadvantage of not being set up to use absorbent pads (at least not to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong). Bear in mind about 80% of soil is particulate matter (dust, soil, sand, grit etc) and if we are effectively pre-vacuuming (if you aren't, then shame on you, whatever system you're using!), a lot of that will be taken care of. The remaining visible dirt we see is either water-soluble or an oil-soluble.Water soluble, piece of cake as long as we put down enough product to dissolve it effectively. The remainder we have to deal with is oily soil, which encap products that are properly formulated will take care of quite easily. If relying on straight encapsulation, yes it can work with your fibrous pads, as long as you put enough encap product down to start with, but if you really want to hedge your bets the absorbent pads will absorb the bulk of the oily soils, with only a small percentage then needed to be taken up by the residual encap product, resulting in a much more efficient clean, and with less product needed than with a fibrous pad for a superior end result. Pick and choose whichever way you want, just bear in mind there are right and wrong ways to do everything. If it hasn't worked for you then you gotta question why, when for so many others of us it works so well, in my case to the point where I now have some customers that prefer and demand OP to HWE... and on really trashed carpets, HWE followed by an OP... UN-FRIKKIN-BELIEVABLE!!!! |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 30/April/2010 at 4:05pm
Now there's a man who has it all figured out in twenty three words. As a supplier to the industry I continually witness cleaners beating their heads and bodies to extreme by using the only method they believe in. Different strokes for different folks or carpets. Work Smarter, Not Harder is something they did not teach most of us in school. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: FreshAire
Date Posted: 30/April/2010 at 9:37pm
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hard to argue with anyone making sense - and dollars!! |
Posted By: Duck Country
Date Posted: 30/April/2010 at 10:57pm
Plan your work, then work your plan. Adjustments are based on results. ------------- http://www.vlmcca.org - Very Low Moisture Carpet Cleaners Association |
Posted By: kingjoelking
Date Posted: 06/August/2010 at 1:15pm
| I also use both. Cimex for 90% of the job and the Challenger Max to clean Entrances and highly soiled areas. |
Posted By: danmarck82
Date Posted: 14/January/2012 at 1:47pm
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Bought a cimex three weeks ago , it has literally paid for itself in less than a month! It adds another very useful tool in my arsenal. !,,,, |