Who has tried this wand? is it "da bomb"
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Topic: Who has tried this wand? is it "da bomb"
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Subject: Who has tried this wand? is it "da bomb"
Date Posted: 21/December/2007 at 2:14pm
| http://usproducts.com/evolution/ |
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Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 21/December/2007 at 2:37pm
| http://usproducts.com/evolution/ - FOR LAZY PEOPLE |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 21/December/2007 at 3:27pm
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I have tried it. Not impressed. Far too much flex in it due to the high plastic content. The Delrin glide on it does not work as well as teflon glides do as well. Definatly over-priced in relation to the performance it provides. You can buy 4 Superglide wands, that actually work well, for the price of just one of these.
Other than that, it is a great wand.  ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 02/January/2008 at 4:53pm
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US Products is on the right track in terms of thinking aerodynamically with the Evolution wand design. I have always advocated we have to get away from the cheapest welded squirt and suck guess at design. Someone made one 40 years ago and 40 people copy cat'ed it.
Unfortunately this wand will not fly as 80% of carpet cleaners are looking for a wand with the lowest price tag. That leaves us with a 20% market share for high-end wands. Most people do not know that I was the inventor of the Stealth Tool design. This design got my head spinning to take the same technology to a wand until my tool was knocked-off and sold at a profit level that no longer allowed me the funds for research and development and I eventually lost interest. Boo Hoo  ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 02/January/2008 at 5:01pm
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I agree with Ted on the fact that about 80% of people are looking for the cheapest wand and glide combo. That is what I sell. Hard to beat a wand/glide that sells for under $200.
However, about 20% of the market is looking for a premium wand and glide. For them we sell a Titanium wand and glide.They cost over $1000, but deliver the very best performance and airflow you can get in a wand. You will be hearing more about these wands later in 2008. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 02/January/2008 at 7:23pm
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What about your welded squirt and suck wands Kenny? ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/January/2008 at 7:44pm
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you don't weld ABS pipe ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/January/2008 at 10:29pm
That's why he keeps melting them  ------------- 
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doug wrote:Posted By: duckcountry
Date Posted: 02/January/2008 at 10:48pm
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Any solution that uses propietary parts is doomed for failure. The assembly line was all about taking military rifles that would break down on the battlefield (not able to swap out parts from another) and guarantee that all parts from all rifles would be interchangeable with their counterpart. I cannot take parts from a standard wand and swap them into the super duper bomb. So it gonna bomb, fer sure fer sure. Like Ted said, things have been pretty boring for the past 40 years but at least they have been consistent and keeping the learning curve down to a short rise. ------------- Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity? |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 4:18pm
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Like Ted said, things have been pretty boring for the past 40 years
Fortunatly, in 2008 that is all going to change.New aero efficient wands will be sold this year that will revolutionize how wands are made.  ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: duckcountry
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 5:31pm
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If you were only half as smart as you pretend to be, you would be a vegetable Kenny. Frankly you have as much intelligence as a chili bean fart. And your opinions stink like 3 day old road kill on a hot summer's day.
------------- Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity? |
Posted By: .Ken Harris
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 5:39pm
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oh yeah. duckcountry you sound like the stinky kid on the elementary play ground.
This is the real world, take your moms tit out of your mouth and say something that a GROWN UP would say. Your a child plain and simple |
Posted By: duckcountry
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 6:03pm
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I am a 56 year old man who killed for pay but I am willing to make an exception for you. I need the target practice, $hit for brains! I would talk to you at adult level but you have convinced all of us you aren't there YET ------------- Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity? |
Posted By: .Ken Harris
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 6:10pm
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Posted By: .Ken Harris
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 6:11pm
you sure your 56 or 5 or 6
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 6:29pm
Kenny a threat on someone's life has to be believed by the person to be true and justified. I hope you don't take this seriously, because it won't go any further than this forum. ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: .Ken Harris
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 6:43pm
| and thats not Hammy. I think it is! |
Posted By: duckcountry
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 6:43pm
It is you who lacks any wisdom, .Ken. Taking on the wrong person will definitely get you killed. But that is a chance you take. ------------- Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity? |
Posted By: .Ken Harris
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 7:04pm
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No problem Duckboy, KleenKuip will give me your IP address which I will turn over to the police. It's just like childporn or Internet bullying, it's taken seriously. For a man of your age you'd think you'd have more class and respect for yourself.
you should be ashamed! don't get caught up like Dennis. I'm going to let you off with a warning, never make threat against me ever again. |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 7:28pm
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Kenny you need to read up on the criminal code ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2008 at 10:35pm
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This is too funny -------------
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 22/April/2008 at 2:00am
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Here is a recent review on this wand:
Product Review - Evolution Wands Posted By Mike B. on 4/22/2008 at 12:43 AM I have recently purchased both of these wands, so I'll share some of my experience and opinions about them. The main thing about them is that they are feather light. Lightest wands that I have ever used. Feels kind of like using a toy at first. You feel like you're cheating. Very similar to how it felt when I first started using a glided wand. Effortless! "But hold-on, if I'm not grunting, straining and working up a good sweat, how can I be getting the carpet clean?" But the carpets are getting just as clean as ever, and, at 52 years young, anything feather light is just fine with me! (Did I mention that these wands are feather light?) The Evolutions are what's called a straight wand design, rather than the "S"-bend style, which I have been using for years, so that took me some getting used to, but not long. You can't get as far under the bed or similar tight spots quite as easily. Not really a major big-deal. Both wands come with a built-in Delrin glide, which is replaceable. Delrin is lighter and more durable than Teflon, so you won't have to replace them nearly as often as with Teflon. The trade-off is that they don't glide nearly as smoothly over the carpets surface. You definitely get some chatter sometimes with shorter olefin naps, particularly commericial loop. (at least with the smaller wands holed glide) The 1.5 inch wand comes with a holed glide and 2 jets. The 2-inch Truck-Mount wand comes with a slotted glide and SIX jets. U.S. Products advertises it as a 16-inch head,(15.75 with my tape measure) which will help speed production on those big commercial jobs, but plan in whipping out your stair tool for those tight bathrooms and closets, cause this hulk-sized head is not going there! I have to say that I was really concerned that 6 jets was going to give me a big problem with streaking. 4 jets streaked, 5 jets was'nt supposed to streak, but did, so 6 had to streak, right? Wrong! I couldn't believe it myself, but no streaks. The TM-Evolution uses 4-110 degree jets in the center and 2-95 degree jets on the outsides. This leaves a slight gap between the outside edges of the solution path and the outside edges of the vacuum path. Kind of nice when you need to hang over a transition to wood and want to get the carpet edge clean without getting overspray on the wood floor. (Ever notice how the overspray only gets on the floor while the customer is watching?-LOL) Some guys don't like the gap, but that could be easily remedied by replacing the two outside 95's with 110's. Do these wands dry the carpet faster? I have no idea. Maybe they help a little. I don't hang around and wait for the carpet to dry, and with a #5 blower, I never have customers complaining about dry time anyway. (When I can, I hope to do a test and see how the Evolution-TM wand compares with my CMP/Greenhorn wand on dry-times. I'll let you know.) The head on these wands is basically a plastic (polyethylene?) material that seems pretty durable and is definitely light-weight. The shape is supposed to increase air-flow by moving more air in a straighter fashion, or something to that effect. I believe it. On denser piles, the TM-Evolution really grabs hold of the carpet. Whether the carpet dries any faster, I don't know, but I definitely feel like I'm pulling more soil out, no question about it. Time will tell if the poly head is a good idea or not. The black color already shows some scuffs and scratches after 6 weeks of use. Maybe I'll break out the Armor-All. 2 things I would do to improve the Evolution wands: 1) Lose the Delrin and go with PTFE Teflon. I don't care if it adds 12 ounces of weight -it's worth the trade. 2) Design in some mini-check valves at the jets. Both wands drip- and I mean a LOT! Come on U.S. Products, if we're going to spend $899 bucks for a wand, we want one that doesn't DRIP! I realize that I'm spoiled, as my Greenhorn never weeps a speck of H2O unless I trigger the valve. So, there you have it. More than you probably wanted to know in the first place and way more than I intended to write, but it's wrote now, so not much can be done. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 22/April/2008 at 4:05am
| What a looooooooad of crap. If the wand is on the floor, the air actually going through the wand is reduced to the point that it's using 25% of the tube's capacity, max. It doesn't move any faster because there is no resistance to speak of. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 22/April/2008 at 9:27am
So Kenny, what' your point? -------------
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 22/April/2008 at 12:05pm
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My point was to show you what you get from a $1000 wand. Even at that price, the reviewer still found the wand in need of improvement, like needing a teflon glide instead of a Delrin glide. He is absolutly right. I used to make the glides from Delrin 5 years ago before I went to teflon. Teflon is better. The Titanium wands come with teflon glides, not Delrin. They will work better and last at least 3X longer than these Evo wands will. So no contest. The Ti wand and glide remain the champ. That was my point. 
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 22/April/2008 at 2:29pm
I don't think anyone suggested that the Evo wand was as good as the Ti -------------
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 22/April/2008 at 3:38pm
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Paul:
Some in the UK seem to think it is. How else to explain the desire to pay over 700 pounds($1400+) for one. I sell the Ti wands with Superglide over there for less than that($1249 incl S&H). It is a much better wand. As light as the Evo(8 pounds) and much more durable. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 22/April/2008 at 4:46pm
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They obviously are misinformed -------------
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