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Topic: How to Choose a Wand?
Posted By: Y2MDC
Subject: How to Choose a Wand?
Date Posted: 25/February/2004 at 12:10am

Hello!

We are doing market research on behalf of a manufacturer of carpet cleaning tools and accessories. They are in the midst of redesigning all of their wands. Their intention is to manufacture the highest quality wands at the lowest cost to you. But first, they would like to know what is the most important thing to you so that they can incorporate it in their new product line.

We would sincerely appreciate to have your feedback on the following questions:

1) What problems would you really like to see solved with wands?

2) What features do you like about your wand?

3) Would a guarantee influence your buying decision? What kind?

Thank you very much!

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Christian



Replies:
Posted By: Mr.Mike
Date Posted: 25/February/2004 at 12:48am

Wands are very unique, just like the  individual that uses one. I prefer a rather light cleaning wand. But, it can't be too light nor too heavy.

A trend is leading towards making the wand easier to push. ie. using teflon glide attachments. I've tried a couple different mock-ups and have been impressed with the extra ease of cleaning they provided.

A wand with a scrub brush attached to it. Prevents getting down on your knees to manually scrub the spot. Makes the job go alot smoother when certain spots need agitation.

A nice comfortable grip for both the solution trigger and grip assist handle. Makes a big difference on those large cleaning jobs.

A guarantee? That would be nice. Who doesn't like guarantees?



Posted By: LeeS.
Date Posted: 25/February/2004 at 10:39pm

Wand glides??

Oh oh, here comes Ken Harris!!!

Seriously, I like weight in a wand, my techs think I'm nuts



Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/February/2004 at 11:02pm
Wand with a scrub brush? Who makes that bissell and is it plastic?


Posted By: Mr.Mike
Date Posted: 26/February/2004 at 10:34pm

Originally posted by doug doug wrote:

Wand with a scrub brush? Who makes that bissell and is it plastic?

The wand I am referring to is called The WandBrush. The brush attachment sits at the front of the wandhead attached to a cable that runs up the wand to a lever just below the handle grip.

Check out the http://www.hydroforce.com - Hydro-Force website . Unfortunately the last time I checked their wands page was under-construction.



Posted By: Ryan
Date Posted: 27/February/2004 at 2:18am

A light wand is nice.  I like to feel the weight because of the suction created by the machine.  This way I now how well the vacuum is working and if you need to adjust your wand position to get a better extraction results.

Also I really wish they would make a wand that was shaped to easily maneuver further under furniture as some costumers like you to clean underneath their furniture without moving it.

Maybe an exaggerated version with a much larger bend or a longer length of tubing leading horizontally to the cleaning head like this.  It may look funny but my guys love it.  I had a friend customize a Prochem Ultra Light for me and now everyone argues about who gets to use it.  The problem is, that particular wand isn't cheap and when you already have plenty others around it's hard to justify shelling out that much money for new ones.

--- = Handle

** = SHAFT

||| = CLEANING HEAD

      -------    ;

                 **

                      **

                           **    

                                   **

                                            **  **   **  **||||||||||||||

Well I'm no artist but I think you get the point.     



Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 27/February/2004 at 11:23pm
I prefer a nice 2' wand well balanced with at least 4 jets.  2' allows for more air movement and I also prefer a little weight to the wand.  The old ProChem 2' wands weight about 5lbs short of a ton after you were on the end for about 2 or 3 hours.  I do like the prochem 2' wand it just has a nice feel about it.


Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 28/February/2004 at 12:07am

Nice wands

 

Don't like 4 jets AT ALL

if there's more than 2

 

there's too many



Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 28/February/2004 at 7:35am
One of the reasons truckmounts work is the ability to use large amounts of water to flush and rinse the carpets clean amd have the ability to extract the water which also very important.


Posted By: LeeS.
Date Posted: 28/February/2004 at 4:49pm

I like the 4 jets and lots of weight.

i have a couple of wand glides andIlike them less everyday.



Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 28/February/2004 at 5:13pm

 

I've been eyeing up that Chemspec wand on this very site.

Just wish I could try it out first.



Posted By: Mr.Mike
Date Posted: 28/February/2004 at 11:24pm

Originally posted by Steaminpile Steaminpile wrote:

I've been eyeing up that Chemspec wand on this very site. Just wish I could try it out first.

It's real purty aint it.  



Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 29/February/2004 at 1:29am

it's a beauty

I heard it's quite heavy

is this true?



Posted By: Mr.Mike
Date Posted: 29/February/2004 at 1:47am
Bout 12 and a half pounds I reckon.


Posted By: Ryan
Date Posted: 29/February/2004 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by Steaminpile Steaminpile wrote:

Nice wands

 

Don't like 4 jets AT ALL

if there's more than 2

 

there's too many

I'm just guessing, but is there a particular reason why you prefer less jets.  Are you using a portable?  If so, then that makes perfect sense.  If your machine or truck mount can't handle more jets or a wider wand then you probably shouldn't use them.  IMHO if you need to make more than 2 dry passes a total of 4 strokes 2-forward and 2-back then your machine can't handle the extraction of all that water.  In this case you should stick with fewer jets. 

On the other hand if you have a high performance rig then you should by all means use what it will handle because this means less work for you. 

I use a high end Butler truck-mount and I still use a 10'' 4-jet wand(14" 6-jet on short commercial carpet).  The narrower the wand and the more jets you have with a larger machine will always clean better than using a wider wand with the same amount of jets(a little more time but a better end result).  But your machine better be able to handle the extraction of all that water otherwise you'll have to make multiple dry passes because nobody likes going back to remove otherwise preventable browning problems. 



Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 29/February/2004 at 5:45pm

I run a Cleanco

the only problem I TRULY have with multiple jets is that they tend to plug up,which really, I shouldn't worry about cuz all I would have to do is add an inline filter to solve that problem.

Currently using a factory Cleanco wand that came with the machine.

I've used a Prochem 4 jet wand working for someone else and it was heavier but a far nicer wand.

I am actually looking for a good 2" tube wand,instead of the 1 1/2 little wand I'm using now,maybe even run 2" hose all the way to better utilize all that suction.

 



Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 29/February/2004 at 8:01pm
I found many years ago using 1.5" hose and a 1.5" wand increased my drying times regardless of the size of the blower it restricts the  volume of air flow.  You may think you have more power but it is you blower tring to breath threw your vacuum relief.


Posted By: Ryan
Date Posted: 29/February/2004 at 8:49pm

Originally posted by doug doug wrote:

I found many years ago using 1.5" hose and a 1.5" wand increased my drying times regardless of the size of the blower it restricts the  volume of air flow.  You may think you have more power but it is you blower tring to breath threw your vacuum relief.

Good point. I've never used 1.5" hose on any truck-mount yet.  Maybe that's why I've rarely had a problem with dry times.  Thanks for bringing that up. 



Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 03/March/2004 at 2:58pm

Maybe I am the wrong person to ask about redesigning wand & hand tools as I am the inventor of the Dryer Type Stealth Tool that works on the principal of a venturi. The cleaning solution sprays through the vacuum chamber. There just isn’t a dryer and safer tool to clean furniture with.

Since the inception of this type of safer tool, dry cleaning upholstery with solvents has almost become a thing of the past. I needed at the time an extra $75.00 built into the selling price to cover getting it to market. (Advertising, Travel, Research & Development, etc.). Once others saw my effective but simple design it was quickly “knocked off” at a much lower price. And our industry is not large enough to patent less expensive items.

The unfortunate aspect for both an inventor and his industry is for someone knocking off his invention makes both the inventor and his industry suffer. If someone has the ability to create a better mousetrap, stick with him, allow him to keep his juices flowing for even better mousetraps.

Although I have been challenged on my theory. As one person claimed that if it was not for stealing ideas and knocking off items we would all be driving Model T Fords. Any way I took the sour route after my neat little invention was copied and sold it for less than I could afford to sell it. At that time I had Dry Type wands on my inventor list and ready for production. But I decided to turn my inventor talents to another industry.

So here comes my specs on Dry and better wands that I never manufactured. And it’s all free. You see it first on the Kleen Kuip site.

A – Aluminum or titanium structure then teflon dipped for ease of wiping clean & weight factor. (Have you ever looked at how dirty most wands look?) Carpet cleaners don’t believe in wiping or vacuuming. I guess it’s a woman thing.

B – Rounded snap on Teflon Guides on the bottom for ease of your body parts. If you have pushed a wand for 20 years you know what I mean. How’s your shoulder?

C – A small bristle brush installed on the left side of the wand allowing you to turn the wand 45º to manually scrub.

D – Telescopic adjustable shank to allow a shorter or taller person some back comfort. This design could also double as a 40” stair tool.

E – A swivel head that would turn 190º to allow cleaning under beds and tight areas etc.

F – Choices of multiple water jets that you could quick change the orfis spray on the job with a hand twist as opposed to requiring wrenches. As an example a wool carpet should get less water than a synthetic. A doctor does not always use the same knife.

G – The jets should be in an enclosed chamber to eliminate damaging overspray and heat loss. To go one further the jets should be in the center of two vacuum slots before and after the water spray making it idiot proof for water pick up.

H – A solution control valve that would have a feather touch and not put ridges in your fingers by holding it down for long periods of time. Possible a thumb button that one touch turns it on and one would turn it off.

I – The availability of a trickle water spray into the vacuum tube when needed to allow your machine to be used as a dry vacuum cleaner. For those who still believe in pre-vacuuming.

I’m not an engineer only a carpet cleaner who can’t sleep nights for thinking of a better way. But look at the tv ads on Bissell and Hoover who incidentally sell hundreds of thousands of these carpet cleaning products. It intrigues me how they show Tornado Wind Tunnel swirling and cylindrical suction chambers. There is something about suction through better aerodynamics that our industry is missing.

Now that I have suggested the near perfect wand, marketing will tell you that the price you should have to charge would shrink your sales market by 80%. As 80% of our industry are blinded by price alone.

Now that we have talked about a better way let me say that at my age, knowledge and dedication to quality. I personally would not use any wand regardless. Let me introduce or reintroduce you to Rotary Dry Extraction. An RX-20 or a Rotovac. The smarter way!

P.S.
It’s also more satisfying and more profitable long term.

Thanks for listening,
The Carpetologist



Posted By: LeeS.
Date Posted: 03/March/2004 at 10:15pm
From now on I am calling you Dr. Carpetologist Ph D


Posted By: Stevety44
Date Posted: 11/March/2004 at 8:57pm

hello Christian,

Yes, when I look for a wand, I like the light weight, but I also like the "soft opening" valve feature of those DURA-KLEEN wands.  This makes my hands less tired at the end of the day, and no more pinched fingers when using high pressure.

Thanks Steve 

 



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