CMX-20 vs. RX-20
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Topic: CMX-20 vs. RX-20
Posted By: operator47
Subject: CMX-20 vs. RX-20
Date Posted: 27/November/2007 at 12:02am
| Which model is more efficient and more reliable? |
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 27/November/2007 at 1:13am
They are exactly the same. Just different labels  ------------- 
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Posted By: operator47
Date Posted: 27/November/2007 at 1:21am
| What about the 5 spray jets on the CMX compared to the 3 on the RX??? |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 27/November/2007 at 4:07am
You're right. Never noticed that. But you asked about reliability: http://cp-products.com/library/rx20_cmx20_wdr_4-6-00.pdf |
operator47 wrote:Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 27/November/2007 at 3:14pm
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The RX20 and the CMX20 are the same unit built by Hydramaster. THe CMX20 is sold through a company Hydramaster owns called Cleanmaster. Both these units are recommended to work off truckmounts and not portables. But if you must work it off a portable you block off two vacuum slots.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 28/November/2007 at 4:00pm
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just stick to the wand ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: operator47
Date Posted: 28/November/2007 at 9:59pm
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Posted By: Michael
Date Posted: 29/November/2007 at 11:31am
I've never done that with my RX/Porty combo, and I don't have a problem. If you want to increase your dry times, maybe get some glides. I believe the five-jet head on the CMX20 is the old style head that takes the old style glides. I wish I had that one instead the three-jet I have right now. |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 29/November/2007 at 2:59pm
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The CMX20 and RX20 have five water spray jets and five vacuum ports on the spinning star. When using them on a portable that has less than 200 inches of vacuum lift it is best to have three suction vacuum ports than five suction ports producing a weaker degree of suction. You still leave the other ports intact to spin and create mechanical action but you plug the suction portion of them.
Better still, if using a portable go to a Rotovac 360 as the RX is best suited for larger open areas. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 29/November/2007 at 4:18pm
Talk to me about the wand in another 10 years. By then it will be too late. Back problems, tennis elbow, wrist and shoulder therapy will be needed. If you were going to dig up your garden would you use a Roto Tiller or a hoe? 
HO, HO, HO...Merry Christmas Mr. Steamer P.S. I have been in the carpet cleaning business for far too many years and have cleaned with just about everything. If I was ever to go back to cleaning carpet for a living I would not entertain using anything but Truckmount with Rotary Extraction.I had Steamers "Stinkin' Thinkin'" for years. Why would I want to invest into a Rotary unit when I have this big powerful Truckmount? Until I realized the combination of both was Utopia and at night I still had energy for sex. If you are going to invest $50,000.00 in a Truckmount do it properly and invest $50,500.00 and save your bones while getting better consistent cleaning. Or maybe your employees would stay longer if they did not have to be the producer of all the tiring mechanical action on the manual wand. Food for Thought. I forgot to mention how much better is is in traffic areas and how much more satisfaction you will see from your customers. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: DeepScrub
Date Posted: 30/November/2007 at 4:30pm
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Do they really work that good!I hope this isn't a to good to be true type thing. ------------- "DO YOUR BEST" |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 30/November/2007 at 4:57pm
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Ted I have to agree with you...but I wouldn't get one if I had a porty....
Right now I do a pre-scrub with my cimex...but I charge for that... what can you charge for when it's not an extra step and it's already attached??? I've used a 360 and personally I was disappointed...the cimex wand combo does a much better job. yes I will have no bones...but I will be a hero in my customers eyes ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 30/November/2007 at 6:23pm
He is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQi7JZBjnx4 - not even breaking a sweat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQi7JZBjnx4 - Click here for video. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 30/November/2007 at 6:29pm
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Mr. Steamer,
I now see you are working even harder than I first thought. Lifting and carrying a Cymex into a home must be a killer but you know KK always has the answer. 
A baby 15 inch Cimex in-stock and ready to save your muscles. You know I am always concerned about your health and my profit. Merry Christmas ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 30/November/2007 at 6:41pm
DeepScrub, You had better make a decision fast, with a name and image of DeepScrub the wand just won't do your company justice. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: DeepScrub
Date Posted: 30/November/2007 at 8:02pm
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you are exactly right! but I was always taught that the only way to have a good clean carpet, was to perform a deepscrub.I just don't understand how those 360's clean without scrubing.What about heavy saturated stains,that won't come up or normal cleaning.
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Posted By: operator47
Date Posted: 30/November/2007 at 11:00pm
| Why wouldnt you get one if you had a portable? |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 12:15pm
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Most people feel that a portable does not have enough suction to allow the RX20 to perform as well as a wand for faster drying time.
Although Steamer does make a good point about if your rotary system is attached to your cleaning equipment it makes it next to impossible to sell it as an extra service.
By offering an extra piece of equipment that is still in your van that would enhance the cleaning performance may take you more time but maybe gain you more profit.
Is this a good idea?
I would love to hear other comments on this issue. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 12:46pm
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DeepScrub
Brushes on carpet is old school. It i no longer suggested by many manufactures.
The new technology is safer, more up to date and impressive to the customers. Turn two processes into one and save labor. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: DeepScrub
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 1:54pm
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Some carpets have tough stains that won't come out, unless you use some type of aggitaion.I just find it hard to believe that carpet, that is in bad shape can look good again with no aggitation?
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 3:30pm
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You do get aggitation from either wands or rotary powered tools. Brushs are not necessary, and infact can cause damage to the carpet by destroying yarn twist in some cases. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: DeepScrub
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 4:30pm
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yeah on berber carpets ------------- "DO YOUR BEST" |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 5:26pm
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I use brushes on the cimex machine...it saves me pads.. NEVER EVER had a problem....pads give you more surface contact but the brushes get into the pile and dig out the dirt..
pads are better on level loop I will say that forsure. I like the idea of the rx cx or 360...but if you're not careful or you don't have enough suction you can over wet ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: DeepScrub
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 7:21pm
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I just feel that you need agitation to clean deep into carpets.that 360 machine seems like it just cleans the surface.Without the brushes how does it get up heavy grounded soil. ------------- "DO YOUR BEST" |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 8:51pm
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A good preconditioner and enough dwell time combined with a grandi groomer will give you all the aggitation most carpets will ever need on residential carpets. On resterant carpets, a pad machine will scrub the carpet for you better than HWE extraction alone could do.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 9:18pm
yeah right...lol if you says so Canada nd top cleaner  ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 01/December/2007 at 11:39pm
Don't forget dry in a minute  -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/December/2007 at 12:29am
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he probally has it down to 24 seconds ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/December/2007 at 12:30am
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And getting faster every day -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/December/2007 at 10:34am
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hey I agree with SGG on this one. all that scrub in not necessary on all jobs. Get the right chems and the right unit and go to work. if your unit is a bit inferior you need all that extra work to get the results. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/December/2007 at 11:03am
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some jobs don't even need pre-spray...but thats not the point. even the best chemicals will not clean heavy foot traffic infront of the favorite couch...or coming out of the kitchen..
only a scrub will do that ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/December/2007 at 12:02pm
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if you feel you need to carry your cimex in to accomplish this well there are more than one way to skin a cat??
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/December/2007 at 3:52pm
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A 12 inch rotary will do the same thing -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/December/2007 at 4:06pm
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knife ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/December/2007 at 9:12pm
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/December/2007 at 9:40pm
I heard somewhere that engine degreaser works  -------------
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Posted By: Millennium
Date Posted: 13/October/2008 at 12:51pm
| I have seen the results of my competition using the rx-20. The customers clients come to me asking me for my service. The truth is, it is hard manual labor compared to the relativly quick buck my competition makes with the rx-20. In large areas I regret not having one, in small areas the drag wand with 3 jets is fine. I am in the process of purchasing a Rx-20 none the less because the wand kicks my ass!:) |
Posted By: danmarck82
Date Posted: 13/October/2008 at 8:49pm
| I have a used Rx- 20 sale. Private message me if interested. |
Posted By: prouddadx3
Date Posted: 09/November/2008 at 12:20pm
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Have you guys tried the ROTOVAC for the tight residential carpets. It is very nice to let the machine scrub away instead of my arms falling off. It also exposes the fiber to more heat, which helps the pre spray be more active and it helps the twist remember its' memory. Even on Olefin crappy carpets it has made my life a lot easier. ------------- http://maps.google.com/coupons/page?oi=lbc&did=0_14019921871367697693&cid=RF0IMWO26GG3CFHL&hl=en-US&gl=US - Boulder carpet cleaning Coupons |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 09/November/2008 at 1:44pm
It helps the trist remember it's memory???By twist do you mean chubby checker?? If you are getting it hot enough to effect it's memory man you in trouble?????????????????? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 09/November/2008 at 11:25pm
I find the original Rotovac doesn't work well on commercial carpet. It tends to chatter -------------
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