Possibly not.

If you're clientel has no problem with you using such a device then all the power to you. I am a competent tech and I preffer the TM over the portable. MIND YOU, I have not had any experience with the new ones. The last portable I used was a 100 PSI with no heater. It was a blue Ninja. Those worked good for the high rises, but I still preffered the TM.

I also clean air ducts as well so this is where the TM really excells as I have the Cleanco Compact 47. It really "sucks"

Take Care

-Ron H.

Actually, it's 1.5' hose that goes to 2' hose and no, there is no negative pressure. Yes, it is worth the expense as we can charge a premium because this system works way better then any other duct cleaning system and the customers can see...and hear it.

Go to http://www.cleanco.com - www.cleanco.com and check out the IAQ section to familliarize yourself with the system if you wish.

It's been worth every red cent.  

Take Care

-Ron H.

With 1.5' hose would that not restrict what you can remove from ducts especially if they just had renovations or a fire. sounds like you can only clean clean ducts.

It may sound like that but it is farthest from the truth. I've pulled pot lids out of vents. Of course it doesn't go through the hose. Believe me, the ducts are getting clean, I visually inspect them myself before I'm happy. That's the main reason I have a satisfied clientel.

If you could only see my filters, you would then know that I am NOT cleaning clean ducts. I have no problem pulling building materials out of heating systems either. Mice as well. Dead or alive. I don't bother with rats, they don't fit.

Take Care

Ron

You have misunderstood. If I was leaving stuff, do you think I would be wasteing my time cleaning if I knew I wasn't cleaning? Okay, not a fair question. Just so you know, I'm not one of those rip off outfits that give all us cleaners a bad reputation. I have a turbo brush that goes down the round vents, it has a Turbo whipper I call it at the end of it which is activated by the suction from the TM. I send it down and scrub the vents AFTER I have sent the hose down to pick up any large amounts of debris. (construction material, toys, and so on).

Downstairs at the furnace, I pull the blower out and powerwash it at my truck. I'm also a furnace mechanic so it's not like I'm incompetent when it comes to heating appliances. I then cut into the warm and cold air ducts and I have brushes that fit these and they hook up to the hose from the TM and suck everything back to the truck.

Nothing is left behind. I hope this clears things up with you.

Take Care

Ron

[/QUOTE] That sounds good to me.  But getting that out of you was like pulling teeth.  See how clear things become when you get used to explaing just what you do to people like who are a pain in the ass.[/QUOTE]

Point taken

Take Care

doug wrote: Hooking up a 4.7 with a 2' hose must put a lot of negative pressure on the duct work. I have never seen a tm used for this so I am not really that familiar with the process.  Do you turn down the vac pressure or what?   Do you have to have seperate hoses? Is it woth the expense?  Just inquiring.

i was under the impression that true duct cleaning equipment far exceeds the CFM of any TM, and that most pro duct cleaners consider cleaning duct with a TM to be comparable to you or i cleaning carpet with a Bissell.

NO  offense to you Ron, im sure you do outstanding work and your TM gets the job done....just posting some things i read on the duct cleaning forums.

thanx --- Derek.

Where the heck do you clean....Africia....What are you talking about.........all those kids and amimals running around........who's chasing who.......what's going on there.......Mr. Steamer, PadMan. Adwa. Ted, Someone let's help this guy out, let's get him some traps for those animals and leashes for the kids, and some foam to stuff between the door.......save up and buy your own truckmount.

    Mr. Steamer rents them out by the day, talk to him.

               Jack                NIGHTRIDER

if your going to clean furnace & duct work you should buy a proper truck like a caddy vac made for funace cleaning you can do alot more with it like commercial work big $$$$ plus insulation removal $$$$ you cant do a proper job with carpet van no matter what some guys say i would put you to the test any time i own 1 caddyvac witch sucks 10800cfm & use 280 psi with a whip i can move alot more dirt then you ever could i also have 1 1992 cleanco classic also 1 2002 cleanco 47 they only have 350cfm so you ask your customer if they prefer 10800cfm or get riped off by 350 cfm i would also like to no how you clean the plug up burners and you say you pull the blower & pressure wash it  all fine&dandy on old old furnace with a belt drive fan but all the new ones are direct drive fans i would not recommend getting water in a motor so quit bullsh*ting & riping off your customers & buy proper equipment & training or let the pros do it you guys are the ones who wreck the market doing it for cheap & not properly stick to what you know thanks greg

I tried for over a year to make money with two ninja portables.  I think that they may be ok for a part-time operation.  I don't know how anyone could compete against a truckmount with a portable.  Most of my work could not be completed with a portable machine.  A portable is simply too slow, and requires too much effort.  Most truckmounts cannot compete with my setup.  They simply are too slow. I now rent my two portables.  I also rent dry cleaning equipment. 

Sincerely, Barry

portables do things that tm's don't, such as hi-rises etc.  i do 2-32 stories w a portable in 2 days for 3000.00.  who wants to turn away work like that?  at the same time i rely on my truckmount for my residential houses and commercial work that is accessible to tm's.  i charge the same price for portable work as well as truckmount cleaning.  my truck will always outclean my portable within the same time frame.  more heat, more pressure, more vacuum-less filling, less dumping equals faster production time.  my results are exactly the same.  if you use a portable with autofill/auto dump features, 5oo psi, at least 2-3stage vacuums (or equivilent) 200 plus degrees f. heat. u are using 3 power cords or more and less water flow, and probably worrying if ur water connections are leaking, or if your autodump is overflowing, and u have had to connect ur machine to the cust's kitchen sink, don't forget ur adaptors and ur using the cust's electricty.  u can do a good job w portable or tm or bonnet etc. if u know what ur doing and take time to do it right

Well said Cleanworks I like your post. You also indicated about the BC Government only allowed to use Enviro products. I see that is the direction we will all be heading. Can you also fill us in on truckmount dumping in BC. We hear big fines and jail terms.

Is this true?

I know of a few carpet cleaners who to my knowledge has never and I mean never flushed out there waste tank.  They clean a rather large restaurant chain.  If I told you who I was talking about you would never eat at one of these places again. 

There waste tank has become corroded and infectious. These guys call them selfs professional. Remember the first three letters in Professional is PRO.

Anybody should be able to take this account away from them as this is no PRO who disregards what fumes they are putting into the building.

Talk about mad cow and bird disease. How long before we will be struck down with waste tank syndrome.  Clean Up Your Act you know who you are.

*WARNING*

portables the unlikely killer....

well you have to take into a fact that the hose is insulated...it all depends on how fast you use the water coming from the truck...I'm sure if it sits in the line it will get pretty cold...but most times for me...very little temp change...unless your doing furniture where your not using as much water.

As for the cfm's.....most truck mounts are rated for 150 feet at least...so if your set at 12-15 hg at the truck...thats pretty much it at the hose...unless you go over the recommend footage....then I think its about 2-5 hg's per 100 feet...I could be wrong

MR. STEAMER wrote: this is the portable section...lol

Steamer :  Maybe he leaves his portable in the truck.  Maybe he should be inquiring about extension cords.  Maybe he has a generator?  Just my opinion

Harvey wrote:   I was just looking for a reason why I should go to a tm. If  my water temp  &  vac is no bettter running all that hose etc. Why would I want all the headache of a tm.

Harvey: Tht questiion is beyond the scope of portable operators.  Please present this questiion to the truckmount division for further discussion. Just my opinion

Harvey wrote:    LOL.....Hey steamer & Doug THIS IS THE PORTABLE SECTION but you have still not given me a good reason to buy a tm off Ted. The carpets i clean are dry in 5-6 hours, so the suction couldn't be that much different. How do you clean hotels?

the difference is your riding a mountain bike...I'm on a Harley...they both get you where you're going...but one takes a lot more work

Steamer buy the Ninja 500 with heat and put a hyper box with it, plus auto dump and fill.

Specs
500 PSI
265" Water Lift
205º F Heat

I have some coming in used at a good price. You are getting close to a truckmount with this unit.

http://www.kleenkuip.com/portables/truckforce.htm - Check out the specs on the Truckforce.