Tough stains
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Topic: Tough stains
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Subject: Tough stains
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 10:02am
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It�s a fact: Some stains are tougher than others.
Think about that last job you completed yesterday. That bit of tar that you tried to remove? You are still upset that it left a small, yellow stain on the carpet. No matter what you did yesterday, that yellow discoloration wouldn�t budge. It doesn�t look too bad, and you hope the customer�s eyesight isn�t too sharp. But the job you did last Monday � another bit of tar on the carpet, same scenario � well, that tar cleaned up completely and left no yellow stain. Why is that? Or what about that job from last Tuesday. You remember: A third grader spilled some cough syrup in two different rooms in the home. In one room, you removed the cough syrup stain in two minutes, but in the other room it took you 15 minutes. Why is that? What makes a stain a 'miserable' problem? When trying to figure out why some stains are tougher than others � stains that are of the same content � think about simple chemistry. Anything that stains has some type of chemical component. Red Kool-Aid has a red dye. Tar is petroleum based. Coffee is an acid-based beverage with tough tannin. Red wine has natural colors and tannin from the skin of the grape. At the same time, each fiber has a chemical component and a liking for certain things. We all know that nylon likes acid dyes. It�s what the carpet mills use to dye nylon carpet, unless they use the solution dyeing process. That means that nylon is going to have a natural affinity for acid dyes: Kool-Aid being an acid dye that will easily stain nylon (this is why carpet mills add "stain blockers" to nylon carpets, to hinder this). Olefin likes oily soils. That means a bit of tar on an olefin carpet is going to be much more difficult to remove than a bit of tar on a nylon carpet. At the same time, it typically rejects acid dyes, tannins, natural juices, etc. Polyester is a "cousin" to olefin... it also likes oily soils, but isn't "friendly" to normal liquid spills, including acid dye stains, natural juices, tannins, etc. One definition of all of this can be: "Stains are made of chemicals with loose ends. These loose ends stick to loose ends on which they stain." That may sound simplistic, but it's a good description of what really happens when something is spilled, dropped or tracked onto a carpeted surface. There has to be an "opening" in the fiber that the stain likes. A good example to prove this is polyester and mustard. Polyester is dyed using a disperse dye system, and mustard - that villainous enemy of all carpet cleaners worldwide - contains a disperse dye. So while polyester withstands most food and beverage spills, mustard will bond with it, creating a tough stain. That doesn't mean you can't remove a mustard stain, but out of most stains that can end up on a polyester carpet, this will be one of the toughest. Real-life scenario - nylon carpet Let's say a cup of coffee is spilled on a beige, nylon carpet. The result is a big, dark brown, really ugly spot. You are asked to clean that spot. So you go to work, probably after your customer used six different chemicals from under the kitchen sink, and would have used six more but ran out of stuff and didn't have time to get to the local Wal-Mart. After typical spotting efforts on your part, you find that about 95 percent of the coffee is removed, but the remaining spot is now a stain: Unacceptable, right? You know the customer has good eyesight. So you dig into your stain kit, using your handy, trusty oxidizer. You add a bit to the stain, add some safe heat, and after about 15 minutes of your valuable time and a few choice words muttered under your breath, the stain is gone. This is a success story, but with a twist. You didn�t expect to spend an additional 15 minutes on that one spot. You had to go to more trouble than you thought before you started working. It only took five percent of that eight ounce cup of coffee to create trouble and more work for you. It was that five percent that had what it takes to cause a stain on that nylon fiber. It was that five percent that had the loose ends (the natural tannin, most likely) that the nylon fiber liked and accepted as a guest in its home. But the exact same spill on an olefin carpet would have rinsed away so easily that you start thinking that everything should be coated in a layer of polypropylene. You wonder if the stuff is sold at the hardware store and what your spouse would think if you brought some home. Become a �stain detective� For stain removal, think about the surface that holds the stain and what it "likes" and "doesn't like". Stains and fibers are strict adherence to the law of attraction. If an olefin carpet has a small acid dye stain, success is normally achieved with simple cleaning. Not always, but normally. And with olefin, you can be more radical with your cleaning chemistry. But if it is nylon with a small acid dye stain, typical cleaning may not suffice. You may need to alter the color using specialized stain removers because the nylon "likes" the stain so much it's going to fight your efforts. |
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 10:21am
Sounds like a Jeff Cross article  ------------- 
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 10:40am
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of course...we all have a million of them....cut and paste dude ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 1:01pm
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Lee is going to go broke you are givivng his seminar free here?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 8:43pm
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it's all over the web for free..plug and play ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 8:50pm
We know Ken wouldn't pay for info, so it must be free  -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 9:00pm
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should you play first or plug first ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 9:46pm
Plug in your computer and play on the KK board  -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 11:29pm
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we could be the the red board...all master cleaners making 7 figures.
we could all have pet names doug could be Duff cmaster could be c-bone NR could be butylicious ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 11:42pm
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What's Kenny gonna be........................
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 13/August/2007 at 11:43pm
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He can be what he has...an STD! ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 12:07am
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You are what you eat -------------
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Posted By: danmarck82
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 12:53am
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Nasty!
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 3:22pm
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Shame on us -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 3:26pm
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DUFF???? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 3:32pm
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You like it, don't you? -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 3:37pm
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leave it to Steamer ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 3:47pm
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He's on a roll -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 4:29pm
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Lee better watch out Steamer will soon be the expert of the GTA ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 4:50pm
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yeah what not to do... ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 5:08pm
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get into the carpet cleaning biz ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 8:25pm
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They just keep coming.... ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 9:10pm
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each imigrant is given a machine when they enter the country ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 14/August/2007 at 9:31pm
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A Chinese knock off no doubt -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 15/August/2007 at 10:57pm
| So give me an example of an "oxidizer" that can be used to remove the yellow stain mentioned in the first post. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 16/August/2007 at 1:42am
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If we tell you, then we have to kill you -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 28/August/2007 at 8:32am
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In this article Jeff Cross says that coffee is an acid stain. However, in his stain guide he says to use alkaline to remove acid stains and acid to remove alkaline, and then his guide says to use acid to remove coffee. Doh! |
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 28/August/2007 at 10:39pm
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There are certain rules of thumb that can be followed when in doubt.
However you should try removing tannin stains (acid) with a tannin stain remover (acid). I was told by a large company here in Toronto they have cases of tannin remover on their floor and it will never be used. Most use reducers on the furniture and oxidizers on synthetic carpet. New generation of all natural cleaner coming. It is called an oxidizing prespray.But there will be no peroxide in the product. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 28/August/2007 at 11:26pm
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Sodium hypochlorite? -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 29/August/2007 at 7:02am
Makes sense. Jeff Cross e-mailed me and said the same thing. He also asked if Kenny is in jail yet. |
LilNiteRidrhood wrote:Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 29/August/2007 at 7:33am
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shelf life will be??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 29/August/2007 at 3:17pm
A few hours at least -------------
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Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 29/August/2007 at 7:56pm
| cmaster-yep,denatured sodium hypochloite is an element of this new product |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 29/August/2007 at 10:09pm
I understand acid removes tannin. I just don't understand why. It seems to go against the general rule of removing an acid stain with an alkaline detergent. |
Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 29/August/2007 at 10:26pm
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I don't know of this rule which you are talking about. Rather I hear and have seen that most strong acids have a capability of removing colour in one way or another.
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 29/August/2007 at 11:12pm
| Jeff Cross' guide says to remove acid stains with alkaline and alkaline with acid. This tannin issue appears to be the exception. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 3:26pm
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use butyl...aint that right NR?? ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 4:39pm
Butyl and bleach. The only two you'll ever need  -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 6:13pm
| I need a truckload of butyl. |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 8:18pm
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I love the smell of Butyl in the morning...............GOOD MORNING CARPET LAND
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Posted By: LilNiteRidrhood
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 8:24pm
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Most soil is acidic.
But an acid stain?? One that won't come out?? What kind of stain is that? |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 9:24pm
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A PITA -------------
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 9:33pm
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I think it's called a Shot Spot, I have some on my bedroom ceiling Nightrider
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 9:39pm
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That's protein -------------
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 10:04pm
I thought it was more discusting..................they hang down like icicles 
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 10:11pm
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hey they got this great new stuff made from seaweed.
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 10:28pm
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it's called disease ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 10:32pm
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www.pinksolution.ca
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 10:40pm
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Sounds like a porn site ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 10:43pm
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great stuff I've been using it ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 11:05pm
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must be a porn site then ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 30/August/2007 at 11:46pm
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Must be! ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 12:16am
OK, I got my BS shield at 100% -------------
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 12:20am
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There's a demo at Costco until Sept 2, I'm going tomorrow to buy a tub of that crap and see what it does in the restaurant....................
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 12:25am
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Good idea. We don't have a Costco here -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 12:39am
| Let us know how that stuff works for you, NR. |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 1:16am
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When I get it I'll P.M you guys, give me an address and I'll send you a cup by mail, so you can also try it out
Nightrider
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 4:03am
You're too kind, NR. While you're at it, how about some egg rolls and crab cakes? 
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 12:20pm
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Egg rolls..............No problem........................only have crab legs ( No Crab Cakes )..................You might have to eat some of that " Pink Solution " to clean out your stomach afterwards
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 1:11pm
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Crab legs? Had those for supper last night. Deeeeeeeelicious -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 1:46pm
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Were they Russian crabs??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 3:50pm
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I didn't ask what language they spoke -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 3:52pm
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Russian crabs are domestic crabs you will know if you have them?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 4:01pm
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Ummmmmmm. No -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 4:12pm
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you may come in contact with them when you are in lost Wages. Keep an eye as they are known to take a bite off your d**k and go russian up under your armpit to eat it?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 4:37pm
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Alright..........went to Costco and saw the demo of " Pink Solution " I was impressed and even brought a dirty section of carpet from the restaurant ( Greasy as hell ) A little bit of the diluted stuff and the grease just started to disappear on sight .
I will put it to some real heavy duty tests tonight.
As promised to Cmaster and FriendlyHammer...........If you P.M me with an address, I will send you a cup.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 31/August/2007 at 8:03pm
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I've been using it for a while...great on filtration.... works wicked on all types of grease....it takes out almost everything ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 12:09am
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That's some really Great stuff Steamer................Thanks for posting about it and sharing your knowledge and secrets with the forum .
You're the man of the hour.
Whoever buys and uses this Pink Solution and only found out about through Steamer, owes this man graditude.
Thanks Steamer ...........finally a product that works and I don't have skin burns from using it.
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 12:58am
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If it works that well, I will have to find a supplier. No Costco here -------------
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 1:32am
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After you receive my sample and if you lke it.......................you can order on line through Pink Solutions.....................or I can send it to you if it comes out cheaper .
Ask Kenny if he still has some pigeons that he didn't eat yet.
Sorry Kenny we are always picking on you................................only means you're always on our minds
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 5:38am
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This stuff makes DFC look like junk....ecogent like dolphin piss... natural seaweed is the way to go. I'm glad you got some NR.
Chemspec and DFC were rude to me, little do they know, there are better products out there. ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 9:47am
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Is this stuff made for textiles is it free rinsing? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 2:03pm
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I guess we'll find out -------------
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 2:19pm
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Nightrider do you serve frog ? You know how to eat frog ?
You put one leg around your left ear and one leg around your right ear !!
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 2:51pm
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There's only Bull Frogs in NR's neighbourhood?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 3:18pm
didn't you check the website.... ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 3:43pm
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I seen them demo this stuff at Costco in London back in the summer but I never really paid that much attention to it? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 01/September/2007 at 4:30pm
I had " Frog " just the other night...................................22 years old and legs that never quit...........didn't speak a word of English, but I wasn't in the mood to talk anyway 
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 12:29am
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Two words.............body language -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 1:07am
Dang. It's a Canadian product not available in the States. It's probably not 110% water, so the government won't allow it to be sold within our borders. |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 1:34am
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I can get it to you Friendly.................................I'll just ship it from Plattsburgh New York
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 2:47am
You go to Plattsburgh often? |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 9:32am
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Good Morning Men.. Anyone have a used 175 rotary to sell?? I'll post also on the classifieds..
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 10:04am
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check with Ted. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 10:17am
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he has loads of them ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 10:18am
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then he will be able to unload one ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 10:22am
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John is in the state...he would purchase site unseen? ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 10:40am
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I'am sure Ted will do him right
------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 11:28am
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Friendly, I don't go there often. I think the last time I went was at least 3-4 years ago..............the dollar was so high people just stayed away from the states for cross-border shopping. Give me an excuse to go there friendly.
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 11:34am
| ok thanks.. |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 4:42pm
Thanks NR, but I'll probably be in Canada in a few weeks. |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 5:42pm
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Canada is big......................where you going to be
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 02/September/2007 at 7:10pm
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That depends on my relatives. There's a wedding in VA, and then the wives want to go up north. If we go far enough, I'll see if I can cross over to a Costco in Canada. I'm going to contact that company on Monday or Tuesday to see what their plans are for the States. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/September/2007 at 1:56pm
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NR doesn't live in Canada he lives in the other distinct country ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 03/September/2007 at 3:19pm
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That's the way I like it............................................although I don't agree with the seperatist agenda..............I like the fact it keeps the majority of immigrants away, that's why Toronto is just a pressure pot waiting to explode
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 04/September/2007 at 1:03am
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And when it does they'll all move to Montreal -------------
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 04/September/2007 at 2:55am
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Nah.................they'll get lost.........................all the signs on the highway are in French Plus, now in Quebec we're going to start all using acronyms instead of words..................Like instead of a " STOP " sign...................it will just say.............." W.W.T ".......... Which means..........Woe.....Woe..... Tabernac
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 04/September/2007 at 8:44am
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As long as they use the octagon shape, everyone will recognize it -------------
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 04/September/2007 at 10:38am
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There will soon be a massive flood of illegal aliens coming your way soon.. The new Superhighway running thru the heart of the USA right into Canada... From Mexico.. This is BAD news for USA and CANADA
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 04/September/2007 at 3:15pm
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Time to blow up that highway somewhere near the Mexican border -------------
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