DFC Natural Food Grade Products
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Topic: DFC Natural Food Grade Products
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Subject: DFC Natural Food Grade Products
Date Posted: 16/June/2007 at 8:39pm
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I had a funny thing happen to me this week. It all started when I was using my spot bottle to take out a spot. something smelt funny...I thought it was the rag...but it was the HD DFC that I had in the bottle. It had gone bad and smelt like sour milk. I grabbed the jug... it had gone bad too... anyone experience this with DFC before???do I have to keep it in the fridge after opening it???LOL ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 16/June/2007 at 8:41pm
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Did you check the expiry date?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 16/June/2007 at 8:43pm
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no it has one...? ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 16/June/2007 at 8:47pm
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No there is no exp date on it...I have the bottle in my hand.
and it smells sour ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 16/June/2007 at 8:57pm
| wow! |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 16/June/2007 at 10:55pm
Send it to Kenny. He can take a drink and tell you if it's good or not  ------------- 
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 16/June/2007 at 11:14pm
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 12:06am
If it doesn't curdle do you drink the coffee?  -------------
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 12:09am
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 12:47am
Just add some sugar  -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 7:18am
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I sprayed it on the arm of someones sofa...it stunk... I really had to rinse to get it out ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 10:44am
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Maybe the arm stunk before ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: huckmuck
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 12:02pm
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It was probably a bad batch as the people in the states don't know how to make it right. Give Ed a call and give him the lot number. I am sure he will replaced it for you. ------------- Huckmuck |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 3:01pm
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Was it developed in Canada? -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 4:10pm
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I think so?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: huckmuck
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 7:32pm
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It use to be made in Canada not anymore since Hunnisett sold the business. The states always had trouble making the DFC products. ------------- Huckmuck |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 8:48pm
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naw it was almost finished....I did think about saving it.. I just dumped it out because I didn't want to forget and use it by accident ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 9:29pm
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Do you have the bottle? It should have the lot # on it -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 10:50pm
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Steamer brews his own?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: juniors cleanup
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 11:14pm
| is there a temp requirement for storage? |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 17/June/2007 at 11:54pm
I don't see anything listed in the online product info  -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 10:49am
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keep frozen till time of use?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 2:30pm
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E-mails from chemspec
Based on the chemistry of the product, there is nothing in it that should cause that type of odor. Could there be some outside contamination during handling and dispensing of the product that is contributing to the odor problem you have encountered?? Unopened, DFC Heavy Duty Cleaner Degreaser will be good for at least 1 year. Even though the pH is high, there is always the potential of introducing a bacterium that could survive in the product when the container is open. If the product has become contaminated through handling and dispensing and then stored inside a vehicle in the summer time, growth would be accelerated. You have to remember that if it is 90 degrees outside, the inside of a closed vehicle in the sun would be even hotter! ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 2:31pm
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I jumped on this one quickly as we know that bad news travels one hundred times faster than good news and so far all DFC products have been good news.
We have not had one single complaint about DFC going sour. And it has become one of the fastest selling products. If whoever you bought it from will not refund or exchange the product then Kleen Kuip will do so and we will have it analyzed and have and intelligent answer for you ASAP.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 4:00pm
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I think that since it's a food grade product.. it should be treated as such... it should say on the bottle keep refrigerated ...LOL what food product do you know of that will stay good and bateria free once opened???
NONE...even Ketchup goes bad. DFC and chemspec are walking a fine line. I think we have been contaminating our customers things with dirty product without realizing it. Ted I would send the bottle off to you... but I didn't take it seriously at first... I dumped the liquid without thinking because I didn't want to make that mistake and use it again or have my brother use it and learn that it was sour. as far as the e-mails chemspec has brushed it off to nothing...I don't think it is nothing product filled with bateria is un-healthy to use ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 5:35pm
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Now the god dam sky is falling????????????????????? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 8:09pm
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Steamer,
I have seen contaminating looking wands that are extremely visual cleaning carpets in houses that my wife would not appreciate and refuse to let them in or allow them to come back.
I think you know what I mean.
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Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 8:21pm
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I am not a graduate chemist but have been around chemical products most of my life.
My personal feeling is that DFC is not your old toxic formula. Yes it is a food grade product and people who are around food know they must show professionalism and keep food from contaminating in severe heat or allowing other products to contact them.
Many carpet cleaning vans we work on at Kleen Kuip have a very distinct sour smell continuously being emitted from them. So, my advice is all products DFC or not should be handled in a safe, professional manner to eleviate any potential problems.
If I should hear or see a second sitting of this mysterious incident I will be the first to let you know.
The only food ingredient in Heavy Duty DFC is Sodium Carbonate and that is what Cow Brand tells you to put into your refridgerator to stop sour smelling odours.
I'm confused.
 P.S. for future reference...
You would be suprised at how many employees mix incompatible products together. I know they don't tell you that but they brag to me about it.
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Posted By: huckmuck
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 8:48pm
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Sodium Carbonate is not the only food grade chemical in it. ------------- Huckmuck |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 9:54pm
| should have stuck with Tide |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 10:35pm
Cuz it's so easy to rinse  -------------
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splash_$$$_dash wrote:Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 18/June/2007 at 11:16pm
the sodium citrate is salt of citric acid...it's used as a perservitive... the sodium carbonate is cow brand or basic laundry washing soda... the sodium choride is just salt...??? for flavor maybe LOL it's not the things on the label that I'm worried about it's the thing that are not on the label. that chemical had a distinct smell...sour smell.. it must come from something...one was in a spray bottle and the rest was in the jug. I have had no other chemical react this way ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 9:02am
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Hide is pretty safe?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 9:07am
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The people at Chemspec are mad...LOLOLOL The a**hole (me) strikes again... it was good for a few post...LOL
moving on ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 9:11am
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Steamer the sh*t disturber -------------
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 10:39am
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actually ted your wrong there are three listed ingredients that are on the bottle, which are all used in food...
the sodium citrate is salt of citric acid...it's used as a perservitive... the sodium carbonate is cow brand or basic laundry washing soda... the sodium choride is just salt...??? for flavor maybe LOL Tastes good to me! actually what probably really happened is that Steamer probably mixed one of his other drinks in with the DFC and forgot which bottle was which? Of course then that would turn bad. I am on my 96th bottle of that DFC and never a problem. It tastes great. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 12:24pm
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This must be the first time Steamer bought a name brand cleaner?? Or is anyone missing a jug off their truck?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 2:09pm
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If you want the real facts on DFC products call Mike Rochan at Cogent Environmental 705 434 4489 he is the person to contact, it is his formulation.
We have been using these products long before they where introduced to the market place with no problems. ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 2:51pm
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It's been hot....and what smelt funny was less than 12oz of product...no biggy... but then I began to think about it... what liquid food product will stay fresh after opening????NONE ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 3:14pm
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Do you see what I mean at my age I am still learning.
ALWAYS keep an open mind.
Looks like we need huckmuck back in the formulation room. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 3:29pm
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Ketchup??? no
relish..NO Mustard...NO you have to refrigerate after opening...or it will be filled with bateria. I like to have fun...I going to call the FDA and tell them that chemspec has used their name in approval for cleaning chemical. It's fun to see where this will go...LOL I bet that you won't see that FDA approval on the front of the bottle for long..LOL ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 3:29pm
I think all we need is for Steamer to label his bottles before he drinks from them is all.  ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 4:21pm
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Amen to that ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: huckmuck
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 4:54pm
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There is Sod Citrate and Soda Ash and Salt in the product but there is one more ingredient in there that is probably causing all the problems. I had my own way of making the product and I don't think I ever had a problem with it. Chemspec in the States has always had problems with the DFC line of products. They were better off keeping the manufacturing here in Toronto. ------------- Huckmuck |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 5:44pm
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That Sodium Citrate is good stuff. I have a bright orange glow after drinking it. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 7:49pm
I fixed it for you. -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 19/June/2007 at 10:24pm
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The funny this my DFC post was removed from the red board...LOL
man you all in bed together or what...LOLOLOL e-mail from today You don't have to refridgerate! You just have to use common sense in the handling and storage especially in unsanitary conditions. We have sold thousands of gallons of this product since bringing it onto the market and you are the first to develop this problem. Just curious. How often to you sanitize your truck and equipment? e-mail 2 Sodium Citrate is a nutrient and in unsanitary conditions it can be contaminated. I was pretty pissed after e-mail one so I wrote: This is customer service? This is the tone you take with a customer that has a problem with your product?? Maybe I was just the first to realize it. Listen nameless info person. I can assure you the area where the chemicals are used is clean. If I was running a dirty unit how would I have noticed the Bad smell coming for your chemical? This is going no where and nameless person I find you totally rude. Mr. Steamer e-mail 3 The best thing for you to do it to contact your distriubtor to make arrangement to replace the product you are concerned with. Have them call Ed a 416-421-5212 and I will make the arrangements to replace their stock. man there are nothing but untouchable in the carpet cleaning hood. if it isn't IICRC it the CRI or Chemspec... along with the red board these guys are worse than OPEC ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 20/June/2007 at 12:22am
Wow. That's lousy customer service  -------------
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 20/June/2007 at 12:28am
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Par for the course? ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 20/June/2007 at 1:02am
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Not what I'd expect from Chemspec -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 20/June/2007 at 3:46pm
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Chemspec the buck passers.... when does one ever use soap in a sanitary enviroment...LOL isn't that the idea you use soap to clean dirty things...LOL
I bought a new bottle and sent if off to smith labs in etobicoke.. I want to test the amount of bacteria in it, something tells me it's going to be alot. rev-lon had a problem with one of it products... a line of face cream they made was filled with baterial. ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 20/June/2007 at 8:43pm
| they suck |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 20/June/2007 at 9:31pm
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 20/June/2007 at 9:37pm
| I got formula 77 for $20.00 from http://www.cleaningequipment.ca/ |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 20/June/2007 at 9:56pm
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Is it bacteria free? -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 21/June/2007 at 4:40pm
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just add water and you have a chea jug it will grow a full head of fur overnight ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 21/June/2007 at 6:59pm
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Got the results from smith labs....
I don't know if I should tell you the results ...LOL ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 21/June/2007 at 7:33pm
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Whtat did they do?? List the ingredients that are on the jug? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 21/June/2007 at 8:32pm
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No test for bacteria ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 21/June/2007 at 10:13pm
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Tell us the results -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 21/June/2007 at 11:08pm
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It had bateria in it...not enough to say OMG...but enought to say "really though"
I'll get full test result next week I'll post it then ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 21/June/2007 at 11:15pm
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Interesting -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 7:47am
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so now it is an enzyme cleaner too??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 8:26am
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You heard it here first -------------
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 11:17am
We hear alot of things here first, eh? ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 11:17am
If it has to be said it has to be said. Give it your best shot.
Please include credentials for Smith labs. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 9:30pm
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Will do... I also called the FDA. (food & drug association) which has nothing to do with chemicals.
The statement made on the from of chemspecs bottle is false. The ingredients is generally considered safe by the FDA. is bull.. no single ingredient can be consisdered safe.. it all has to do with processing and process time because the wrong combination of chemicals can cause harm or even death. a process has to be filed for each different combination of ingredients and then approved by the FDA.. If I really had the time I would have them remove that statement. the staff is rude and should be taught a lesson. They think just because one is a cleaner they are dumb. I've already spent enough time on this ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 9:38pm
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Well if you are not happy with Chemspec use something else? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 9:43pm
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 9:48pm
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Everybody from the GTA will be busy this weekend so they will have no time to post. They will all be celebrating and taking PRIDE in what they do best? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 9:53pm
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 22/June/2007 at 10:09pm
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Posted By: FooLingYu
Date Posted: 26/June/2007 at 5:32pm
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When I cleaned my carpet with food substance DFC the bonus was my carpet started harvesting my groceries.
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Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 26/June/2007 at 5:56pm
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FooLingYu,
You look to me that you are harvesting more than your groceries. Happy, Happy smoking. I hope my entreprenurial friend Steamer does not read this post or he will be back on DFC.
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 26/June/2007 at 9:06pm
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I think he is already back on Ted. ------------- Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June! |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 26/June/2007 at 11:01pm
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I think I need some THC...........I mean DFC
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 29/June/2007 at 11:16am
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results are in!!!!!!!!...nothing out of the ordinary...LOL ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 29/June/2007 at 11:35am
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So what caused the sour odour? -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 29/June/2007 at 12:59pm
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steamer got his bottles mixed up and used his milk bottle as a spotter? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 29/June/2007 at 1:23pm
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Or maybe he forgot to change his underware, eh?
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 29/June/2007 at 10:04pm
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The heat in the truck caused the problem, but nothing will happen if it's stored in a dry cool location. ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 29/June/2007 at 10:25pm
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Like a fridge? -------------
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