tweaks?
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Topic: tweaks?
Posted By: Extremecleantx
Subject: tweaks?
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 1:22am
| is it a good idea to try and tweak a porty? if so how? also would making any kind of mods to the wand do anything helpful. i am getting a new machine and have a couple to mess with. (ninja and old century 400) |
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Posted By: Ninja-wand
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 1:35am
Tweak it By gettin yourself a truckmount ------------- I'll make you TAP OUT!!! |
Posted By: Extremecleantx
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 1:48am
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i knew that was coming. it sure would be nice but right now i got more balls then money.
your more then welcome to give me one as a xmas present though... |
Posted By: Ninja-wand
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 2:04am
YOu got it!! Expect a Vortex in your driveway on Christmas morning.
Sorry I cant be much help....I dont know diddily about porties. ------------- I'll make you TAP OUT!!! |
Posted By: Extremecleantx
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 3:04am
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that vortex better be in a van or a box truck ninja!
:) ever heard of ram solutions? they make a porty for atex wholesale. it looks exactly like the ones in the background of some of these roto vac ads. i am getting one with 2 3 stage vacs, 500 psi, 2000 watt inline heater,25' 1.5" hoses i believe. would it help or hurt to run 2" 50 footers? |
Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 8:56am
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Buy a vortex. There are no other options.
TM's that cost less will definitely not clean. And, either will any high-performance electric portables either. They are all inferior! In the new year, we all should adopt this mentality and then there will be no disagreements and/or fighting on the boards!!! Hey, what do you all think? The very best; Good Fortune to; Ed Valentine (PS: Ninja-wand, I just had to do this. Thanks!!! MC to you and your family) |
Posted By: Extremecleantx
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 12:33pm
| Since my dog just started Sh**ing gold i think ill go ahead and order one. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 7:29pm
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Yep; at $620/oz, it is amazing what you can buy. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 8:44pm
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No matter how you tweak it, an average truck mount will still have 10 times more suction than your porty.
I know because I am the president of the porty club. |
Posted By: Ninja-wand
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 9:36pm
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Or get yourself a Resoil from Ed which is just as good as any TM.....YEah right!!
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 11:12pm
Not always true, Dennis. The Beastmaster 5 portable that is selling in the USA in the spring has 5 vac motors and a 500 psi pump. It comes very close to the smaller TMs in cleaning power. The GTA guys will be able to double the vacuum power power of their Ninjas very soon with the Hyper Vax Box .It will be selling in the GTA for only $599. It will give the best performance boost you can get for the money. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
dennis_is_ok wrote:Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 11:15pm
More SGG bullsaga?  ------------- 
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 22/December/2006 at 11:18pm
More Turboteck facts! You guys just get to hear them here first cause I like you so much.  ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 23/December/2006 at 12:11am
We are sooooooooooooooo lucky  -------------
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Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 23/December/2006 at 9:13am
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THIS WILL NEVER BE AVAILABLE, MARK MY WORDS
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 23/December/2006 at 9:17am
I think we are becoming overexposed to bull*hit? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 23/December/2006 at 12:20pm
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Maybe just numb? ------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets! |
Posted By: Extremecleantx
Date Posted: 23/December/2006 at 3:03pm
| i looked around online and found that there are a lot of 1 and 2 stage vacs that put out more cfm then 3 stages? the way i understand it is the more fans the more cfm... |
Posted By: Extremecleantx
Date Posted: 23/December/2006 at 3:31pm
| if anyone is interested i found a good article on how vacuum works... http://builtinvacuum.com/def.html |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 23/December/2006 at 6:47pm
Yep, to a point anyway. 2 work better than 1. 3 works better than 2. After that you need to put them in a combination of series and parallel placement to increase cfm at the wand.Our portables use either 4 vacs or 5 vacs. The 4 vac machines use 2 vacs in series, that are placed in parallel with 2 more vacs in series. The result is high lift combined with high cfm at the wand; which is where it counts.Been making them this way since 2002.They are the most powerful portables in the USA. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Ninja-wand
Date Posted: 23/December/2006 at 7:08pm
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Are you sayin its even more powerful than the Recoil (AKA Resoil) Ken??
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 24/December/2006 at 1:11pm
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Yes I am Ninja. The Recoil tests out to only 54 cfms with the wand working on the carpet. The Beastmaster 5 tested at 97 cfms on the same test. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 24/December/2006 at 2:42pm
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The problem is the Bassmaster only works on flying carpets? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 24/December/2006 at 4:00pm
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I have a flying carpet, let's test it -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 24/December/2006 at 4:25pm
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It has to be flying during the cleaning process to get the most affect? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 24/December/2006 at 4:36pm
I guess SGG will have to bring it here to test it  -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 24/December/2006 at 4:44pm
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I think he is firing up the Lear as I type? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 24/December/2006 at 5:30pm
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Great. I'm waiting........... -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 24/December/2006 at 10:34pm
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Ran out of fuel? again? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 24/December/2006 at 11:07pm
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No problem. Fill 'er up. He's good for it -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 25/December/2006 at 9:16am
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Unfortunately the real owner of the jet showed up and spoiled the flight? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/December/2006 at 9:35am
I hate when that happens  -------------
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 25/December/2006 at 6:01pm
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ME TOO. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 25/December/2006 at 10:27pm
Then give him his jet back  -------------
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Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 2:27pm
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Ken;
Sorry I am alittle late reading and replying to your latest comment: "The Recoil tests out to only 54 cfms with the wand working on the carpet......." Where the devil did you pick up this number btw because I call assure you that your number is dead wrong. Perhaps you just made a typing error? No disrespect. Good Fortune to all; Ed Valentine |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 7:01pm
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SGG has been known to make a few typing errors. As a matter of fact, I think he invented them -------------
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 7:49pm
Ed, I consider you my friend, but I have been doing these tests long enough now(over 20 years now) to ever make an error in making them.But I will tell you that was the lowest number I ever saw on a Recoil 3. It was not tested with a Superglide on the wand either. In fairness to you, I believe the motors in it were a couple of years old as well, and sounded tired to me as well, so I am sure the reading was below what a fresh machine would do. That said, it says alot about how you design your machines that even a tired one can produce numbers this good for a portable. Ninjas only produce around 30-35 cfms Speedsters(1003 model) only produce around 45-50 cfms Olympus 3 vac models only produce 40-45 cfms Fact is most 4MP TMS only do around 100 cfms. Your machine and mine are the ONLY ones that can produce more than 60 cfms under use conditions. That is something to be proud of! |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 7:58pm
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After reading this post It would appear that after SGG's tests that the Recoil is only good for a couple of years than looses it's power. Not a good investment unless you are changing machines every couple of years?
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 8:29pm
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Just buy a freakin 5 vac Beastmaster, throw your TM away, and be done with it -------------
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 8:33pm
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 8:34pm
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Is that 5 3 stage vacs?? I seem to have forgotten the specs?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 8:39pm
| Nope. The 5 vac machine is all 2 stage vacs. Only way to make it work on 2 cords. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 9:50pm
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2 cords. The dryer and the stove -------------
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 02/January/2007 at 10:17pm
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No. One cord is 15 amp and the other requires a 20 amp connection. Those wanting a machine that can run on 2 15 amp cords can get the Beastmaster 4. Still comes with a 450 psi adjustable pump. Neither machine will be sold in Canada, but like a few others, some Canadians will find a way to bring them over the border.
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 1:06pm
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Not available in Canada where they have to meet at least a minimun standard of electrical saftey? Only available in Africia till they catch on?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 1:23pm
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how much will it weigh??????? ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 1:46pm
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766 lbs., but SGG will sell you a forklift to transport it -------------
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 2:08pm
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Doug: It will not be available in Canada because CSA will not certify 2 cord machines here.
Steamer: The Beastmaster 5 weighs 124 lbs. The Beastmaster 4 weighs 117 lbs. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 2:28pm
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Has anyone ever seen a picture of this unit?? since we have a 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 or 1 or??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 2:32pm
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.......lift off? -------------
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Posted By: Ken Harris
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 2:36pm
| Yep. The new rotomolds will be available in the Spring. Then we have lift off.In the USA anyways. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 2:46pm
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Probably will be a short flight?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 2:47pm
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Apollo 13 -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 2:51pm
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The good thing is that there should be no human toll?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 2:54pm
Only SGG's ego  -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 2:56pm
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He will grow on the negative vibes they will bring. Especially the warranty. guaranteed till it is removed from the box. If there is actually one in the box?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:01pm
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How many bricks does it take to make 117 lbs? -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:06pm
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How much does a box witha 117 lbs of air cost to ship?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:09pm
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That would be a huge box -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:14pm
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In this case it will be a minimun charge as the machines or should I say shipping pop corn will all be sent in the same size match box. Article in box may not be the same as one in picture? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:19pm
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The picture is on the pinhead -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:25pm
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The machine will be the cheapest on the market. The shipping will be thousands?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:25pm
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what about in Canada ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:28pm
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He explained eariler that there is no market for them here as they have 2 cords and that makes them illegal. I guess it is not so bad living in Canada after all?? Besides larger market in the US you can ripoff till your hearts content? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:31pm
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The Canadian market already belongs to SGG (he sold one unit). He's going for the world now -------------
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:31pm
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for the canadian customers he'll just cut one cord off for now ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:32pm
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There will be a fix for that real soon -------------
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:32pm
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Beastmaster .5 available in Canada only?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 03/January/2007 at 3:35pm
 ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: SERVICEMASTER
Date Posted: 26/May/2007 at 5:30pm
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Tm may have 10 times more vac on the paper......then run it through 200 ft of hose and the difference at the wand is much less !
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 02/June/2007 at 6:13pm
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Sure is... But still alot more than a porty.. And all i have to do is turn up the rpm's... I wouldn't run no more than 100' on a porty... Then all them dry strokes you have to do on some carpet.. OR fans.. OR post pad.... |
Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 24/February/2008 at 8:41pm
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how's that working out Ken ------------- 
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Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 24/February/2008 at 8:49pm
sell many of those 4 vac machines Ken??? -------------
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Posted By: B Rice
Date Posted: 27/February/2008 at 9:32pm
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 27/February/2008 at 9:49pm
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 3:07am
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Yes.
More than a few. All international sales have 4 vacs to them ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 12:13pm
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Can you show a pic of this 4 vac unit Ken..? Buyers want to see what they are buying.. Look this Company has no problem showing the goods..
You and Ed need to open up them shells.. Lift up the hoods to see the goods..
http://imageshack.us">
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 1:13pm
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The Pelican is a good unit but it does have a couple of problems with it: 1) Underpowered- Only 85"WL from it's 4 - 2stage vac motors. Our Optima gets 140"WL from it's 4 -3 stage motors. Pelican gets 280 cfm from it's motors; Optima gets 404 cfm from it's motors while in TM mode. 2)Weak Pump- 150 PSI is a joke. Our Optima has a 450 PSI Pump 3)No Auto fill/Pumpout on the Pelican. Optima has this standard. 4) Too heavy- Pelican's heavy fibreglass shell pushes the weight of this machine close to 200 lbs.Try lifting that without a ramp.Ours is much lighter, only around 120 lbs. Most will not need a ramp to use it. Other than that, the Pelican is great!  This is the standard Optima TM. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 3:36pm
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Fine.. But what about the inside of that Optima portable..? Or the new Recoils.. TM manufacturers show and dont worry about copying..
I know we talked about this before and you guys have a ton of excuses..
You buy a Tm or a Car you want to see the engine/components..
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 5:22pm
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John:
I understand that. Ed and I have abit of a problem with that I guess. As 2 of the leading innovators in product design, both of us have had many ideas and designs copied by others over the years. Even though most of those copies are not as good as our original ideas or products, the copiers put out cheaper copies and steal market share from us, with no compensation. I am sure Ed would agree with me on that point. So you can't really blame us for not wanting to show too much detail to our would-be copiers. We both know that these copiers would steal our best ideas on design in a heartbeat if given the chance to do so. The insides of my Titans will be shown in detail this September on this board, at the same time a few thousand cleaners at Connections in Vegas will get to see, touch, and demo this unit there. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 5:50pm
You mean like the Titan in Vegas last year? I remember you talking about it for months before September and then..................................you and the Titan were a no show. Why should we believe you this year? -------------
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 5:57pm
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The chance of me having viral pnemonia at the same time this year, like happened to me last year is very remote Paul. I wanted to be there last year, but was physically unable to make it. I am going to make sure I stay healthy this year so my plans do not change. I have alot of money riding on being at this year's show. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 6:00pm
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OMG.. You make me laugh Ken.. Like i said if TM manuf. and Car salesman had you and Eds thinking they wouldn't make any sales.. But some fall for it.. CUSTOMER-- No sir I can't lift the hood and show you the motor.. You have to take my word for it..
 I've seen my share of portable setups and most all have the same vacs and pumps.. Thats no excuse not to show someone what your selling.. Your talking a good chunk of cash for them..
I'm sure its no different than the rest of them..
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 6:15pm
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Oh yes it is John. Most other manufacturers only have 2 vac motors in their machines. They wouldn't know how to fit 4 of them in there if their lives depended on it. LOL
But beyond that, there is not even one of them that know how to run even 3 -3 stage motors and a 450 psi pump on 2 cords(110 volts) without tripping breakers, never mind being able to do it on 4! I do. Because of that, I have had people put up by the other manufacturers who are sent to purchase my machines from my site.I cancel their sale when I find out about it.There is an intense effect for some of them to get my machine so they can learn how i do it. That is why all purchasers from the USA have been my Cleaner's Club members so far. I know who i am selling to. There is 6 months till I show everyone what I got at Connections. Only people going to get a machine before then are those that I already know who they are. The rest will have to wait. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 7:25pm
Yeah. Those engineers are such idiots and you are so much smarter -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 7:44pm
What are the chances of having viral pneumonia and not having reserved a booth? LOL!!!! What POS. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 7:49pm
I give up...
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 8:21pm
He was going to use one of Ace's booths. They both have the same business ethics -------------
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 9:15pm
Nope. I had 2 of my distributors there that were going to show it. I never was going to be in a booth under my name even if I would have been there.  ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 28/February/2008 at 10:18pm
Do you have something to fear? -------------
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 29/February/2008 at 1:43am
You repeatedly said in this forum that you HAD NO DISTRIBUTORS and that you REFUSED TO HAVE DISTRIBUTORS. Now, how is it that these "distributors" couldn't show the machines they DISTRIBUTE?? Do these imagianary distributors get sick at the same time you do? At that time you claimed to have all of North America in your pocket, and they didn't have a single machine to show?
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 29/February/2008 at 2:24am
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Friendly, I have NEVER claimed to have no USA distributors , ever. You will not find even 1 post where I said that.I currently have 2 dozen active distributors selling my products in the USA. What I said was I would not have any new distributors distribute my machines. The distributors that now sell my glides are going to be the ones to distribute my machines first, before anyone else does.
As far as Vegas last September goes, I was the one that was to explain how the machine worked. My 2 distributors would not have had either the time or the knowledge to explain how it worked. It was so new at that time.No, I need to be in the booth with them to explain to over 3000+ people how it works.This year I will do that. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 29/February/2008 at 3:24am
Sorry, barfbag, another lie is not going to work. You said repeatedly that your machines were the best selling in North America. Your distributors should have them already. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 29/February/2008 at 7:11am
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How could they? I have not distributed them to any other distributors as of yet. I am the sole distributor for the time being. The 2 that were to get machines in their booths last September were to be the first ones to sell the machines. That did not happen. And none get the Titans before Connections this September either. Before that happens, I need to make sure I can handle the high demand there is going to be for them.For now, I only sell these machines to the 2500 members I have in my cleaner's club. Everyone else has to wait. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 01/March/2008 at 2:45am
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It's story time again boys and girls -------------
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Posted By: Soil Lint Green
Date Posted: 01/March/2008 at 11:33pm
So lets see, 24 active distributors selling my products in the USA. Just to clarify what you are saying here Ken, remembering you are under oath and what you say may be used to bite you in the a$$ if necessary, are you saying: A. 2 dozen distributors actively selling your portys in the US B. 2 dozen distributors who are active selling others items that you have given permission to sell your portys even if they never do (or even return your calls or could remember having ever made a sale of your portys) C. 2 dozen distributors who require anyone buying your portys to sign a confidentiality agreement and do get those confidentiality agreements signed by every buyer Which one is it Ken? See, it is hard to remember your lies. Seems unlikely that someone who wants to keep his sales to a manageable level has 24 people willing to sell against the risk that you can't deliver and that with these 24 people not one is known by any of us. Not that I am implying you are a liar Ken, just that Judge Judy is not alone is prejudging people based on the testimony of others against the defendant who cannot produce a witness of a shred of evidence to back up his claims. So, which one Kenny - A, B or C???? ------------- It's ORY GUN, not OR A GONE. Learn to talk. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/March/2008 at 1:27am
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This is getting confusing, even for Kenny -------------
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