Christmas Rush
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Topic: Christmas Rush
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Subject: Christmas Rush
Date Posted: 23/November/2006 at 9:04am
How is it going fella's????
Calls are slowly starting to come in.....but it's not rushing yet. One thing for sure I can say...addressed mail to past customers works like a charm. I should have done it sooner.
Does anyone have any good Ideas to pick up some commercial work??? I Don't do much of it, but I'm going to need to do some this winter.??
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Posted By: jtuseo
Date Posted: 23/November/2006 at 10:03am
Comercial this is how I get it. Local newspaper ads & going into the stores myself. Post cards are the best way to get repeat calles, without calling the people yourself. I did my post cards before thanksgiving and I was booked solid.
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 23/November/2006 at 10:08am
Retail sucks! Low prices, sh!ty hours, slow to pay. All my commercial work was built over time, mostly apt. complexes. My experience with one time cleaning of commercial was they were just looking for the cheapest price. Why not use your best source for leads? Talk to your residential customers. Many are executives or own their own business.
------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets!
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Posted By: jtuseo
Date Posted: 28/November/2006 at 11:35pm
YOUR RIGHT
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 29/November/2006 at 10:44pm
Slowing down here on the Resi side.. What does your PC look like Mr. Steamer and jtsueo??? got a pic??
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Posted By: Mr. Slide
Date Posted: 29/November/2006 at 11:41pm
Slow!!! "I must be the maytag man"
1 call all nov.
1st year sucks! Good thing i have a full time
job, or i would starve
Still Smoken!
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Posted By: jtuseo
Date Posted: 29/November/2006 at 11:43pm
PC?
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 29/November/2006 at 11:50pm
Prochem or Portable Computer?
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 12:04am
Posted By: Ninja-wand
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 12:27am
One call for Nov.?! Ouch!...Thats gotta suck.
Been slow here too...But I get at least 2-3 calls a week for Nov....Hope Dec. is gonna be better.
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 12:38am
It probably won't... money goes for X-mas shopping...
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 7:28am
John L wrote:
Slowing down here on the Resi side.. What does your PC look like Mr. Steamer and jtsueo??? got a pic?? | not bad...I've been fully booked all week...I'm good till saturday...work on bookings for next week
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 8:20am
Hey Steamer how's your postcard campaign going?
------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets!
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 6:34pm
It's saved my life...actually it killed the coupon pak...sent out the last 200 this week.....
I got maybe 20 calls from 100,000 coupon pak flyers
I booked around 50 calls off my mail outs..
still I want more
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 6:59pm
That is a terrible return, Steamer. We pull .4% on mailouts when we use them. That means we get 400 jobs on 100,000 mailouts.
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 7:29pm
Superglide Ken wrote:
That is a terrible return, Steamer. We pull .4% on mailouts when we use them. That means we get 400 jobs on 100,000 mailouts. |
At $49.95 for a whole house..........................I guess so!
------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets!
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 8:38pm
Barely making enough to pay for the mailout
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 9:14pm
$49.95?? Did Steamer raise his prices again?
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 10:12pm
10 rooms@$4.995/room. Nope, he lowered them for the holidays
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 30/November/2006 at 10:57pm
nobody wants to share there cards..
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 12:16am
thats coupon marketing.....low results...if you aint giving the cleaning away the results are much lower.... There are only 3 cleaners using the val pak/action pak... Sears, The Bay, and Canadian Steam..
Mr. Steamer is priced right behind sears, with the bay and Can Steam following behind.
I'm not the cheapest nor am I the most expensive.....The only thing that got people off the pot...was to offer all the repeat customers 20% off.
I spent 60 grand last year...only 10 grand this year...paks suck sh*t..
NR was right when he says you end up working for them...lol
People get use to seeing your ad month after month, when they want to get it done then they open the pak to get your number... thats no good.
Why??
Because the month your not in the pak...the just choose someone else.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 12:17am
John L wrote:
nobody wants to share there cards.. | sorry dude I wrote a letter???? do you want me to post that?
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 12:52am
http://www.sorrygottago.com/SoundFiles/4Sounds/Cool%20Hand%20Luke.mp3 - What we've got here is... click on it Mr. Steamer..
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 1:41pm
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 8:26pm
Don't start with me SHORTY!! It's not my fault you couldn't climb the school steps to learn your alphabet.
I don't make fun of the fact that my 5 year old can look at you eye to eye..
I wouldn't do that ...IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT!
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 9:17pm
------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets!
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Posted By: jtuseo
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 9:20pm
John L I have my post cards made up by bridgepoint go to www.interlinksupply.com
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 9:21pm
More of the short jokes? I feel like I am being discriminated against by you steamer? I think I have a Human Rights Issue with you??
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 10:29pm
I'm just sorry that you guys can't see eye to eye on this subject, eh?
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 01/December/2006 at 10:35pm
Low blow!..................................get it
------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets!
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Posted By: Sonny BonoHo
Date Posted: 02/December/2006 at 1:20am
kane wrote:
Slow!!! "I must be the maytag man"
1 call all nov.
1st year sucks! Good thing i have a full time
job, or i would starve
Still Smoken! |
yeah me too!! exept i lost my full time job back in August. ive probably had only 25 jobs since then honestly. im about to have to find another hourly pay job just to stay afloat. Alabama has got to be the worst state for this line of work. nobody wants to spend anything. tough market. The only advertising i do is phone book. I average about 1 call every 4 days. im just trying to soak up info like a sponge right now
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/December/2006 at 1:34am
Wow. Maybe you should move to California
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 02/December/2006 at 7:17am
Wow ...and I was crying...I had over 25 jobs this week....but don't worry Jan will be here soon....where there will be no jobs
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Posted By: Sonny BonoHo
Date Posted: 02/December/2006 at 1:33pm
i wish i could move to cali
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 02/December/2006 at 1:37pm
I ate a bowl of chili and a cup of coffee at a Cafe... Had to work in the kichen to work off the bill....
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/December/2006 at 6:07pm
Sounds like tough times
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 02/December/2006 at 11:06pm
John L wrote:
I ate a bowl of chili and a cup of coffee at a Cafe... Had to work in the kichen to work off the bill.... |
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 02/December/2006 at 11:09pm
So what are you trying to say you just got off work?
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 02/December/2006 at 11:36pm
He's training for a new career in dishwashing
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 9:14am
It's an ad on to business
------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets!
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 10:23am
Detergent free?
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 10:27am
It's the only way to wash dishes
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 10:32am
I know from reading John's posts he definately a hands on type of guy??
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 10:39am
Hands on what?
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 10:52am
Whatever
------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets!
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 2:34pm
Dishes I think?
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 2:38pm
Maybe he can tell us
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 2:39pm
IICRC Master Dishwasher?
Wonder how many pre requisets he needed to get that recognition?
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 2:50pm
Just take the course and you will be a pro immediately
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 2:51pm
Journeyman first? lets not rush into things too fast? No money in that?
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 3:11pm
As long as you send the money. All will be OK
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 3:13pm
Just think of the referals
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 3:19pm
None. As usual
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 4:20pm
Hey Doug have you ever seen a IICRC financial statement
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 6:15pm
No one has ever seen one. Just ask around
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 03/December/2006 at 10:41pm
I think it is a blank sheet?
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 1:25am
Very transparent, just like the supporters say
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 8:01am
Creative accounting.
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 8:28am
Real creative. Makin all the money disappear
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 8:30am
Are you still Donating C Master?
------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets!
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Posted By: Sonny BonoHo
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 9:59am
i got a call today!! yaayyyyy!!! good 4 me lol
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 10:13am
Well, get out there and do it!!!!
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Posted By: Steamy
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 1:12pm
Congrats man!
------------- It could always be worse. I mean you could be some carpet stain being emulsified by pre-spray all the while watching a wand spraying really hot solution aiming stright for you.
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 4:50pm
Sonny BonoHo wrote:
i got a call today!! yaayyyyy!!! good 4 me lol |
What was the call for??
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: Sonny BonoHo
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 5:16pm
just a standard cleaning 3 rooms and a hall. as soon as i got off the phone with the lady i walk out to hop in my van and the tire is flat.what luck i have.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 6:16pm
you did it sameday????? no no...always book 2 days later...makes you seem busy and in demand
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 6:43pm
MR. STEAMER wrote:
you did it sameday????? no no...always book 2 days later...makes you seem busy and in demand |
I think he needs money now, not in 2 days
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 8:36pm
What's wrong with sameday service??
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 9:04pm
I don't like it....people will call you at the drop of a hat....I have a few customers who always wait until the day of....always begging to get squeezed in...you do it once then they expect it all the time..
I tell them I'm booked for 2 days...you got to break them out of that
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 9:12pm
Make them pay for SD service. I do. $1/sq ft. Take it or leave it?
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: Sonny BonoHo
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 10:01pm
lol good thing i made a day out of blowin that tire back up then
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 10:12pm
People who book by making impulsive decisions also cancel just as quick. First they will tell you to come just to make sure someone is coming and then they phone around for a better price and then phone you back about one hour before you are to arrive and cancel. These are the same boneheads that when you get to the house its covered in crap and the driveway is plugged or they are still moving out. NO THANKS unless I get a good feeling about them.
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Posted By: calskin
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 10:17pm
I totally agree (if you don't mind me commenting) about the same day service thing. The people in my town love to call at 3 and try and get squeezed in that day when they're moving and possession is tomorrow. That situation is kinda hard to train people out of though because they're usually only your customer once because they're moving.
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 10:27pm
Unfortunately you vision of sameday service and mine are very far apart? I am in the service business. If I have a truck doing nothing and someone wants something done it gets done? When the day comes that I am as rich and independ as the rest of you I also will tell poeple to call someone who gives a sh*t? I thought I was on the Red Bored for a minute. SGK $1.00 sq. ft. ????? In you dreams? No wonder the people in NY think you are some kind of Idiot sorry is that how you spell Idiol? My spelling is never that good?
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 10:35pm
Doug, I ain't rich and I am just as likely available as not as a new operator. But in my short time in the biz I have been screwed around a couple of times and it leaves a bad taste. Perhaps when I am set up with a couple of TMs then it won't be as bad.
------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 10:51pm
I'm with Doug on this one. If the truck and staff are available send them out
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Posted By: calskin
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 11:34pm
I'm with you there. If I have half a day booked I'm happy to fill it in with whoever calls. I'm just talking about working over time for people who think that a lack of preparation on their part constitutes an emergency on mine.
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 04/December/2006 at 11:59pm
If you don't do it somebody else will.
------------- Could somebody just clean my carpets!
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 1:08am
Exactly
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Posted By: calskin
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 2:49am
Yeah, you're right.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 8:38am
good point of view...but I still rather not do a sameday call...If I'm booking it on the phone...I'm going to book it for 2 days later.
You look hungry if you book it sameday...people may like it...but I like to know and plan what I'm doing day to day
Unless the customer has no other choice and needs it today it's an emergency.
when you offer sameday service you have to offer sameday service upon availability or you run the risk of screwing yourself. Distance and size of call also plays a roll.
Don't look like a punk look like a professional..
doug lives in a small town he farts and everyone smells it
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 11:53am
Lets get one thing strait. Mr. Steamer from the GTA! You can F**KUP till the cows come home and still stay in business because no one remembers the big dufus that cleaned their house a week after you leave. In a small area you don't have new customers to choose from everyday and operate under a couple of different names. No one has to offer sameday servie but if the opportunity arrises why would you pass it up pretending you are busy when in fact you are begging for work? Only in the GTA?
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 12:35pm
sorry doug..I didn't clarify what I ment.... you live in a small town...everyone knows you..plus the area is small...np for same day appointments for you.....5 minutes drive from one end to the other for you..
I work in a larger area...and it makes sense for me to try and group my calls.....if I'm booking oakville..I try to put any oakville calls on that day...if I get a call up in bolton ,,,that aint going to work...
I have to do it if I promote sameday service.....but if I put it off for a couple of days I might be able to book a few more in that area...maybe just by picking up the phone and calling customers close by...
If you running around like a chicken with your head chopped off your not making much money...you end up spending it all in gas travel...
I can do 1 call in 25 Litres of gas...or I can try to do 2 or 3 for the same amount of gas...if I can book them close together...
I didn't say samedays where the worst...but only if it works out for you should you book it..
well then again...I book 15 to 30 calls every week...and I don't have a one call a day set up...so I look at thinds differently...
I booked a milton for friday dec 13.... and it so happed I got another Milton call...she asked what day I had available...I told her firday dec 13th.....good now I got 2 in milton...
I could of booked it sameday and lost money going out to milton twice
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 1:40pm
Lets get anouther thing straight Doug. I do get $1/sq ft for my same day service here in Calgary. For that rate they get 1 hr service most of the time. The job is also done by the Power-Dri RX20 system that has the carpets dry 10 minutes after they get cleaned.I said this 2 years ago the last time this question came up. Too bad you don't listen well. I live in Canada's richest city and am Calgary'shighest priced cleaner here. We have over 17,000 millionares living here. It is not hard getting this kind of rate here if service is what you can deliver. I imagine if the area you live in is close to a Bush, the chances of you ever getting what I can is very remote, but I can and do.
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: shrack
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 2:20pm
If it's between making money or chatting on here, go out and clean man. I agree with the premium price method too. If they want it that bad, and your available, go make some good money. Use your profit to fix your flat(hell, buy new tires with that $1/ft)
------------- We use propane, so you know we're safe.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 2:24pm
maybe he has employee's...maybe he didn't book any today just to have a day off...
I'm off today...cleaning out the garage....anyone want some pressure hose pieces???
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 5:00pm
Yes and no. I do have 3 employees. They run the 3 trucks that I run Monday to Friday. They use Titanium wands with glides and charge .50 per sq for furnished houses.
I have my own TM that I use for doing the sameday service jobs and emergency water damage jobs that the guys can't get to fast enough(1 hour). I charge $1/sq for those ones, and use my special RX20 that uses the Power-Dri system. I went out and did one today.$525 for 525 sq ft of carpet. Took me 65 minutes to do.Add in the 1 hr travel time to the job and back and I still made about $260/hr for my time. I do not get these jobs everyday, but they are good to get when I get them. I am at my desk here the rest of the time(Monday to Friday)until another comes in.
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 5:10pm
Stories like this must be what captivates the brain dead NY audiences? Beleive it or not?
------------- Just My opinion
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 5:32pm
They are smart enough to know the truth when they hear it?
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 6:39pm
Posted By: calskin
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 8:08pm
I heard Calgary was really competitive. If you're selling quality though, I can see you pushing into the higher end markets. There are a lot of millionaires there. Glenmore, Shawnasey, Springbank, downtown are all full of them.
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 9:06pm
Calgary is very competitive IF you are chasing the low end market(around .10/sq). There are about 120 or more companies doing that.Been there and done that, for more than 10 years. High end market here is completly different(.30+/sq). Less than a dozen companies are doing that. We are the only one that gets .50/sq or more. That standard furnished rate is going up to .60/sq when we put the Vortexs into service next Spring or Summer.Power-Dri with the Vortex will be going up to $1.25/sq at that time. Carpet drying will then be less than 1 minute.
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 10:03pm
Less than 1 minute. You better patent that system
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Posted By: Hammy
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 11:33pm
Now I've heard everything.
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 05/December/2006 at 11:35pm
No you haven't. SGK is just getting started
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 06/December/2006 at 1:29am
Hammy wrote:
Now I've heard everything. [IMG]height=17 alt=LOL src="http://www.kleenkuip.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
Evidently you have not, Hammy. The Power-Dri System is my invention. It uses the positive pressure and heat(90 degrees C) from the TM blower to send into a modified RX20 to dry carpets in under 5 minutes with a regular TM or under 2 minutes or less with the heat that a Vortex developes. It was what I designed back in 1997 to allow me to move from a .10/sq cleaner to a .50/sq cleaner in less than 24 months. I needed an edge over every other cleaner in this town, and got it by this design.I had a system with me at the Connections show in 2003 to sell in the USA, but had to withdraw it after the trouble with the glides developed a few days before the show. It is one of the pieces of equipment that will be re-launched next year after I have the glide market back again.
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 06/December/2006 at 1:34am
Did you steal that from CD?
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 06/December/2006 at 1:44am
cmaster wrote:
Did you steal that from CD? |
Nope. They stole their design from me. I have proof that I had the design in 1997. They did not file their papers on a simulair design until 1999. That is why they are beat.
------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 06/December/2006 at 1:46am
Sue the bastards
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Posted By: calskin
Date Posted: 06/December/2006 at 2:01am
Ken, I don't know if you are willing to show pictures of that system, but it'd be cool to see some if you are.
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