BEST PORTABLE UNIT
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Topic: BEST PORTABLE UNIT
Posted By: gorilla
Subject: BEST PORTABLE UNIT
Date Posted: 27/December/2005 at 2:12pm
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I am new to this buisness. I will be cleaning strictly appartments for the time being. I want the baddest machine $ can buy. I dont want to break circuts ext... Any help??? ------------- james cullen |
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Posted By: scents
Date Posted: 27/December/2005 at 2:56pm
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James, I would look at the unit that Ed Valentine puts out. I too am getting a portable unit. After much research and talking with Ed, I am going to get one of his recoil-3 units. I have to wait untill my SBA loan goes through first ;). Give him a call, I did and he was very informative. You are probably wondering about the rotovac as well, which I dont have any info on yet. My wife wants it, but I am not sold on its usefulness as of yet. If you have any questions on what I have learned so far, drop me a line @ soccerinco@msn.com Tom Stasko Scents Carpet Care, Inc. |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 27/December/2005 at 3:47pm
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By any chance do you have a web address I can use to look at eds machines. ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: scents
Date Posted: 27/December/2005 at 4:05pm
| http://www.cross-american.com/ |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 27/December/2005 at 6:06pm
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I checked out the site. I didnt see alot of the spec's such as the volts, psi,WL ext... Compare this to lets say a NINJA dual 2 stage 150 WL, adj pump of 200 for $1339.Dont get me wrong, money isnt my concern. I just want to know why this machine is better. Once I do I will be typing in 16 #'s. ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: Griff
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 2:10pm
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The specs are all there on the Cross American site. 2 three stage + 1 two stage. Gives all the amp draws as well. I can tell you that I have the Recoil 3 and am very pleased with it.
Griff |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 3:07pm
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Gorilla... If you do buy the Ninja... get the dual 3 stage... Run 25' of hose and you'll get good dry time results....
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Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 4:26pm
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Griff,
Do you have the recoil 3 with or without heat. Pretty much the one thing I need to know. How are most people going about getting their heat? Off the machine/ heating buckets/ Bathtubs or something else? ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 5:01pm
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I have the R2 modified with a extra hi-perf. 3-stage...I use a portable heat exchanger 2000W and run a generator.... If you don't want extra cords to plug in then go with a litl giant propane... |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 5:07pm
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Unfortunatley I am not rollin with the big dawgs yet, so when your telling me about r2 modifications, xtra preformance generators and propane I just shake my head. I will assume a generator may be what I need. 7500 Watts sound about right? ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 6:25pm
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Ninja 2-2 stage with heat won't pop circuits...If all your doing is apts... And money is tight... Just make sure you run 25' of hose for best results.... |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 6:55pm
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Money isnt tight. The thing is, I have been hired to clean 300+ apartments and I have one competitor. His portable looks weak, but nevertheless I need to come with the best. I have been jumping back and forth on wether to get a heater or not. ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 6:57pm
| If money isn't tight why not get a TM?????????? |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 7:02pm
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I didnt say it was loose either. Mayby a TM next year. Heat or no heat? Whats wrong with using a bath tub? ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 7:08pm
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Whats wrong with using a bath tub? What ya mean???? Anyways....Heat is a plus... but vac is more important... That's why i said if you get the 2-3stage Ninja or whatever use 25' of vac hose for best dry times..... T = Time........... A = Agitation.... C = Chemical..... H = Heat......... |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 7:14pm
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Alright. I guess I am done here. Ed Valentine never called me back, so I will get the 2-3 stage ninja. I hope I dont break circuts, or have any problems. ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 7:36pm
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Have you checked out these portables???? Ed must be on vacation....Don't rush your purchase.... http://www.timbucktoomfg.com/site_products/extractors.htm - http://www.timbucktoomfg.com/site_products/extractors.htm # |
Posted By: Advantage
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 8:38pm
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A little off topic: I started out on apartments with a portable. I ran the wheels off it. Really, I've got them in my shop, whats left of them. Apartment managers don't care what you are using as long as the carpets "look" clean when you leave. It's a great place to learn, without anyone looking over your shoulder. You get a lot of practice spotting. Getting them to pay is harder than impossible. Funny how they can be 120 days out on invoices and call you up Thursday afternoon and ask you if you can do 8 units tommorow. If you tell them you are already booked they get in a huff and call someone else. You don't hear from them for two months then they make the Thursday call again, only now they are 180 days out but if you can do 8 units tommorow you'll get your money.
------------- CCT, UFT, OCT, CRT, RRT, WRT, SMT, FSRT, JTC, JSR, JWR, MTC a great life, if you don't weaken. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 9:14pm
| All my acct's pay upon receipt.......... |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 9:17pm
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Its all good. I own a window and gutter cleaning buisness. I have worked for a property managment company on the side that pays me on the 1st and 15th. I name the price they write the check. Its their job to recieve payment from landlords. Therfore I just need to get er done. Nevertheless, do you recomend a particular unit for apartments. How did you get hot water? ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 28/December/2005 at 9:27pm
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Hey John,
is it important to get the ninja 2 stage opposed to 3 stage in regards to popping circuts? That recoil 3 is tempting. Mr. Valentine must be out of town though... ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 29/December/2005 at 4:45pm
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Purchase the R3... In the long run you'll be glad you did... 2-3stage, pump and heat all engaged will blow circuits...you can plug in the 220 outlet with an adapter....2-20amp circuit's might work... |
Posted By: Griff
Date Posted: 30/December/2005 at 9:47am
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Gorilla, Ed's shop is closed until after the 1st. My recoil is without heat. I take hot water from home in 3 - 7.5 gallon jugs and set up my machine and plug an 1800 watt heater in to pre-heat while I vacuum and pre-spray. Then I unplug the heater and start heating. Usually tank water is about 140 at the beginning of this process. This set up requires 2 - 15 amp circuits. If you plan on using electric heaters while running, you will need more amps, probably at least one 20 amp circuit + 1 - 15 amp. But since electric heaters will not keep up with your flow of water, I'm not sure what the advantage is. I am happy with a little more dwell time and it works for me. I also pre-heat my pre-spray to about 150 - 160 before putting it down. I have heard this makes no difference but I still like to do it and it works for me. The ninja is probably a good machine as well but I have not used it so cannot comment on it specifically. I know Ed's customer support and advice is top notch. And having the ability to run 50 - 75 feet of hose makes me belive that the R3 performance would be worth the wait of another week so you can talk to Ed. Griff. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 30/December/2005 at 1:35pm
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I keep hearing that electric heaters stink....I disagree..... Well, proof is in using one and it does keep up...The quick connects and water are soooo hot....and well click here... ProChem 2000W heater.... http://tinypic.com/jg2pgo.jpg - http://tinypic.com/jg2pgo.jpg |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 30/December/2005 at 5:53pm
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Griff,thanks for the recoil info. Seems to be the most popular choice. What type of water heater do you use? Im assuming time remains a issue for you, and this whole procees doesnt dent your day. ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 30/December/2005 at 8:44pm
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gorilla... I've been using the electric heat exchanger for a few years...You see the steam.... It cost $430... Or you can go propane for around $1000....I also run all on a generator and plug in the heater in the kichen 20amp circuit.... I had a bucket heater in 99 and worked it similar to griff... It burnt out within a year.... But when i purchased the heat exchanger it was sooo much easier....No waiting for heat......... |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 30/December/2005 at 11:35pm
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John,
What machine are you running of what sized generator? Seems like a lot of set up? Why do you use a generator if your machine isnt pumping out heat. Im assuming it doesnt, because you wouldnt be using a heat exchanger. Its to bad all the carpet cleaners cant come to a common grounds on finding the best portable. Everyone has got a different choice with a different reason. ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 30/December/2005 at 11:47pm
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I have the R2 and added a 3stage...so it has 3-3stage...I run that on my 5550W troy build generator...plug in heat exchanger at custys home.. It's a matter of your preference/choice.... Who really know's what the BEST is.... Are you confused??? Have you decided yet????
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Posted By: DANDY
Date Posted: 30/December/2005 at 11:55pm
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Hi everyone, I'm in the same boat as James. Starting a business w/ a portable and the Rotovac sysytem. I am going with a Stormchaser 200psi W/ heat. Not looking for speed but a good job. Less money for startup and as the business grows I'll move into a TM. I have done cleaning for 10 + years and figure most of my work will be condo or apartment cleaning. I had forgot that apt. managers can be %$#%% when it comes to paying. Any others out there have any promos or " best bets" for a newbie.
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 31/December/2005 at 12:11am
| Yea.... never give up.... |
Posted By: Griff
Date Posted: 31/December/2005 at 4:12pm
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Hey John L, Great to here your success and happiness with the electric heat exchanger. I have wondered about that unit and may have to give it a try. Sounds like your pretty happy with it. Thanks, Griff |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 31/December/2005 at 6:56pm
| Thanks Griff...same to you on your success... I don't use it anymore with the recoil... upgraded to a Freedom XT-45... want to buy it????? |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 31/December/2005 at 7:33pm
| Want to see a pic of it ???? |
Posted By: Griff
Date Posted: 01/January/2006 at 12:14pm
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Sure. What is a Freedom XT-45? |
Posted By: gorilla
Date Posted: 01/January/2006 at 6:47pm
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John,
I saw your input on the recoil 3's. If you think so highly of those machines and can use whatever outlets why couldnt I get a reccomendation? Do you use one? Can you tell me about them? My work will be for vacant commercial properties. All this time, I feel as if you have been holding back on me. Of course I dont want to lug a 6500 generator around apartment to apartment if its not neccessary. ------------- james cullen |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 01/January/2006 at 8:15pm
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Firebreathing 
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Date Posted: 01/January/2006 at 8:50pm
| is it a truckmount? |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 01/January/2006 at 9:20pm
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Griff go to carpet cleaning hangout topic is >> pic's of your rig/tools..You will see Many TM's ........ google it ...............................lol. |
Posted By: rhawkins
Date Posted: 26/January/2006 at 11:12am
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recoil3 is not to be confused with most other portables. they are built
on high cfm concept as opposed to vac lift. look at your
vac........in series or parallel to the tank. series vac are a good
choice for 25 ft. runs. but for longer runs go
parallel..........especially for a rotovac. rotovac is a really good
match to a recoil 3 at any distance.good idea to use a ball valve
regulator for water supply on rotovac. go by how trashed the
carpet may or maynot be.heat on a rotovac is best coupled
with propane little giant. electric is too slow, however a volcano
would be my second choice after the propane.i have a ninja that i
added parallel vacs.......what a diference!.and thats a homemade
variety.........cant beat ed v. recoil though. it has balance on
vacs,psi . as well as amperage(very important).
------------- redhot |