Sound business w/ portables?
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Topic: Sound business w/ portables?
Posted By: hafido
Subject: Sound business w/ portables?
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 4:53am
| Hello everyone. I am wondering how many of you have a sound business running just portables? I seem to be one of the very few CC's in my area that uses a portable machine and have no problems whatsoever with it. Granted, I have never used a truckmount, but they seem so expensive (being a predental student, I have no way of paying this off) that I figure the increase in efficiency would be marginal when taking into account operating costs and having to purchase a new vehicle and such. I have a Ninja 250 psi w/heat, Rotovac and using a 2002 Ford Explorer. Yes, it is not typical, but I look professional and custy's are satisfied. Your thoughts please on whether you feel a sound business can be built with portables. |
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 8:36am
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Yes.....lol why do you ask??? you're doing it right now. It's not the song it's the singer. If you can sing well you should have no problems ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: hafido
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 11:11am
| The reason I ask is that a truckmount is the most automatic answer anyone gives/asks when CC comes up. Now I understand the advantages of a truckmount over a portable, but I dunno, I really don't mind mine all that much. Set up is what it is, but after that, a routine and repitition get you through the job swiftly. Mr Steamer, I though you ran only a truckmount, and don't take non-truckmount servicable jobs. Maybe I am confusing you with another on the forum? |
Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 12:43pm
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that's Steamer you're thinking of
but he's been spoiled by TM's
I actually envy successful porty operators
less overhead,less fuel,maintenance and repairs ------------- A.K.A. Andy |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 1:26pm
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With the cost of gas heading for $6/gal in Canada and $4/gal in the USA by sometime next year, I see the industry heading back to high performance portables. The high performance one I am introducing this Fall, will allow cleaners to compete with TMs in quality and speed, without the high operating costs or upfront costs. Purchase price?
UNDER $3000.00Cdn ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: hafido
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 5:23pm
| Tell me more about it. Price, model, etc (if possible). |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 5:59pm
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The name is being withheld till market introduction this Fall, but I can tell you it's performance parameters. It runs 4 vac motors and produces 400 cfms airflow when all are operating,or with 14"HG(190"WL) lift. It comes with a 500 PSI piston pump with 1.5 gpm flow capability all standard on the base model.Options include a 20 gpm pumpout system and autofill and meter for those wanting these extras.All this runs on 2 15 amp circuits so cleaners will have no problem running it in Canada. Many of the current HP portables sold in the USA require 20 amp service to operate. We are also building 220 volt models for export to Australia and the UK as well.
Price in the USA is going to be $2195US Price in Canada is going to be $2495Cdn ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: hafido
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 6:15pm
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My email is mailto:hafido@hotmail.com - hafido@hotmail.com . Let me know when more can be disclosed about them. I will be in the market for something like this,, and I can hold off a few months. Thanks- |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 6:19pm
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I'm sure there are alot of portable guys that can work just as fast and do the same job that I do. It all comes down to the individuals pride
------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
hafido wrote:
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 6:47pm
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Actually, most of them cant Steamer. If you give 2 guys of near equal ability 2 diferent machines, and one has better cleaning ability than the other machine, the guy with the better machine will do the better job in less time. At one time there was a large gap in performance between most TMs and most portables. The gap is not as large anymore. The best of the portables sold now can get pretty close to the average speeds that TMs produce in residential cleaning.That is where I see them taking market share in the new era of high cost energy that is coming apon us. The machine that I am bringing to market in a few months is as strong as any on the market(even those selling for $3000 to $5000 currently), but runs on only two cords of 15 amp capacity, and will sell in America for only a couple of thousand dollars. It will be the most powerful portable sold there able to do this.I see it getting alot of market share as a result. The introduction time could not be any better. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Dennis Conner
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 6:51pm
Don't wait for ken...he has a long history of not actually building things he posts about. I think he said this was going to be released this past spring, but I'm not going to search for the exact post...besides, ken also has a tendancy to edit posts.
If you want a good porty that actually exists, PM Ed Valentine!
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 7:05pm
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Ed has a great portable as well, and it is available now. But if a person wants the best portable on the market, my advice is to wait a couple of months till after the ISSA show in October. That is when a person can buy the best machine the market will have to offer! ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Dennis Conner
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 7:12pm
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Ed's coming out with another new model?
KEN, come on...you have never offered anything for sale that you have talked about, except the duct crap and your glides...no porty, blower reverser thing, OP machine, OP RX-20.....NOTHING!
You are a blowhard bull$hitter!
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 7:51pm
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Your opinion. I have all those things developed now, and some are in production. Those that did not make it never got launched only because of the money problem that developed back in September of 2003 when HR interferred with the glide deal I had signed with HF. The money that was to come from that deal was to fund the launch of many of my products. When it became neccessary for me to cancel the deal the following month(Oct 15/03), my funding source dried up. Now that the Glides are selling at an even higher rate than was going to happen in the HF deal, my funding is restored.
Now all those projects can and will be going ahead. I realize that you do not understand that simple fact Chuck, but that is why things are able to finally move ahead once more. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Dennis Conner
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 7:56pm
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ken...I know you and know a LOT more about manufacturing than you. I see you fumble around with a SIMPLE product like a glide. You have NO CONCEPT what it takes to design, develop, launch and sustain a product. I do because I have done it many times in the past. IF and it is a big if, you get any of these off the ground, you will have taken enough rope to hang yourself. I'm not even mentioning the reputation you have in the industry! Good Luck...if you even try this you'll need it!
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 9:33pm
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Maybe I will need to hire you as a consultant then Chuck. To make sure i make the right moves? ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 10:15pm
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Ken & hafido = same guy. Man this is really getting old. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 10:19pm
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DLD; don't you ever get tired being wrong with your guesses? LOL ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: JaredW
Date Posted: 16/August/2005 at 11:11pm
Dennis has a good point, i own a recoil 3 from Ed Valentine and it is a very powerful machine. I leave it outside for most jobs, it works the same at 25 feet or 145 feet ( I have different hoses, for different job types) VERY POWERFUL. ------------- The Devil's Advocate (Apparently) |
Posted By: hafido
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 12:27am
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What do you have in your vehicle, a fresh water tank? I have heard great things about the Cross-americans, just, I do not own a proper van (Explorer), and do not plan on getting one. Hafid- P.S., I am not the same guy as Ken. |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 9:06am
| That porty will never work in Toronto or the GTA. even if it did work, nobody would buy it cause nobody wants a machine that use 2 cords. ask Ted |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 9:13am
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Ken did you know that in the GTA in many many building you can not bonnet with a Centaur Rabbit-3 or the Dustbane dual speed??? They run for 2-3 minutes then shut off (due to heat and amperage) Just tell me if you were aware of this??? thank you |
Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 9:40am
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Many sincere THANKS to all above for mentioning our products and/or name. That great AND proven reputation is something that is extremely important to us . Ken; As you are aware of, we have been much "copied" and "cloned" in regards to our introduction and designs regarding CFM's/Air-flow; Power Booster Systems; high-flow GPM electric pumps, and alot more over the 28-29 years in this industry. In fact, I wouldn't hestitate to suggest that you were a student of ours,( like many others who became our eventual competitors ) and eventual believer to. I do not mean to discredit you or what you are saying however, in an effort to "one up us" in "POWER" (this term is much different than EFFCIENCY btw), you have to be EXTREMELY careful not to blow every circuit in the house upon plugging in. This will become very frustrating for the operator and very embrassing to. Now, after all these years and after our recent 1 1/2 year of a "very detailed electrical design" engineering project placing us, IMHO, years ahead of most everyone in this Industry in North America, and Europe, I can tell you that your suggested system is topped out and over the edge on power requirements on two cords, period. End result:
B O O M !!!!!
The very best to all and to SMART buyers; Ed Valentine http://www.cross-american.com - www.cross-american.com |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 9:46am
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I was aware of this. I did work a year all over the GTA for a year with a portable you know. As for this machine not working in the GTA, you are wrong. I have had one of my protos working in the GTA now since May of this year, and it is doing fine. I sent it down earlier this year when I came down for Can Clean. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 9:54am
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Ed: The secret how this machine runs on as little power as it does, is exactly that, a secret.Just like some competitors could not understand how the recoil3 machines you make drew as little power as they do with the components in them, you will have to wait a little longer to find out how I can operate an even more powerful system on simular amperage. I will give you a hint though: it is called efficiency.Engineered airflow always wins out over those that merely are assemblers of components. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: jackblack
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 11:32am
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lier lier pants on fire!
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 11:56am
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LOL.
Check with Ted on the year I worked in the GTA for a year(1978-1979)with one of his old Steamex machines. As far as the testing in the GTA is concerned, that was necessary to make sure it would run on the lower amperage service that exists in Canadian markets. My brother lives in the GTA, and has one of our customers testing it out there. It was not hard to send it down to there from here at the end of April before I left for that show. Operation in the USA was never going to be a problem because of the 20 amp services available there. I figured if it would work in the GTA, it would work anywhere. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 1:53pm
| Give me his number, I want to see this machine. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 2:05pm
lol you guys------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 2:28pm
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Posted By: JaredW
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 3:47pm
yes a 50 gallon fresh water tank and on most jobs, the client is more than happy to offer their water source for additional fresh water. I'm not sure about up in Canada, but as a contractor, i don't usually have jerk customers causing a problem about cords plugged in or using their water. Of the few i had, i recommended that they pay the higher price for a franchise company to come in, one who can afford to buy the "tools" for their specific job and they promptly change their mind and let me use their water/electricity. LEARN TO SAY NO TO WORK YOU ARE NOT EQUIPPED FOR! and go out and make money on the jobs you can. I am walking away with commercial accounts that TM companies have had for years. Less overhead, quicker response times, and i'm using their electricity and water. Ed V must be doing something right, no complaints from me! FYI - The recoil 3 could be carried around in a hatchback, so the vehicle is not a good excuse for not getting a portie. ------------- The Devil's Advocate (Apparently) |
Posted By: Dennis Conner
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 5:49pm
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Ed...I'll tell you ken's 'secret'...the reason it runs on so little power is that it only exists and runs in ken's mind, which has....very little power!
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 5:53pm
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if you have two guys on the job a porty can be just as fast as a TM with two guys on the job. You're not walking away with the jobs because your recoil is better than a TM, you're getting the jobs because you are a better cleaner. it's not the song it's the singer ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 6:14pm
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His new machine will NOT be CSA Approved!!!
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Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 7:27pm
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I had to giggle today when I plugged in my RX-20 today at a customer's house
they didn't even blink an eye ------------- A.K.A. Andy |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 8:06pm
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until you left....lol but they forgot all about it, because you did a great job... but if you didn't the next cleaner will hear about you ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 8:09pm
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Uh, DLD(Dumb Like Dennis), the new machine WILL BE CSA approved. That takes about $7000 more dollars to get done, but it is being done. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: dennis_is_ok
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 8:39pm
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I cant take his bull any longer, he gets the last laugh and last word. I'm outta here. L8R SK8R Boi |
Posted By: JaredW
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 9:44pm
agreed, Tm's are definetly more powerful, i'm just saying a portable business can still be profitable. I tend to walk away from jobs that i can't handle. ------------- The Devil's Advocate (Apparently) |
Posted By: Dennis Conner
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 10:08pm
| You go get then com jobs.....jarwad DePOG! |
Posted By: Mr. Patel
Date Posted: 17/August/2005 at 10:23pm
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you get those jobs because your cheap
Mr Patel
Namaste |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 1:13am
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But not cheap enough to clean Mr. Patel's motels. If you want that job you have to agree to work for food. Principally, hot Curry, eh? ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 7:53am
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Kenny is on a roll ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: JaredW
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 4:22pm
not cheap, smart. Lower overhead than most carpet cleaners and i'll do it within the week or at 2:30AM. ------------- The Devil's Advocate (Apparently) |
Posted By: JaredW
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 4:23pm
DePOG? an abbreviation? care to share it with the rest of the class? ------------- The Devil's Advocate (Apparently) |
Posted By: Dennis Conner
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 6:49pm
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AGAIN...
I believe the rest of the class knows the answer, and it is an acronym not abbreviation.
You really do need to catch up Mr. DePOG.
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Posted By: splash_$$$_dash
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 7:18pm
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I know Ken's brother and he told me the machine is a piece if sh*t He said "I would rahter have a GH Woods Clean-Care from 1975" |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 7:21pm
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wow Splash loooooooooooooooooooooong time no see ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 7:43pm
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He came back to help with the Ken bashing
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Posted By: JaredW
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 10:35pm
You are so wise. ------------- The Devil's Advocate (Apparently) |
Posted By: Adwa
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 11:18pm
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Jared..........maybe Dennis means DeFrog. ------------- The Following Statements do not Necessarily Reflect the Views of this Forum Network http://www.kleenkuip.com - http://www.kleenkuip.com |
Posted By: Dennis Conner
Date Posted: 18/August/2005 at 11:48pm
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No typo Adwa....
He is jarwad DePOG!
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Posted By: Adwa
Date Posted: 19/August/2005 at 12:01am
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Dennis.........you have a new victim.........Jared will have his work cut out for him......we know how relentless you can be ------------- The Following Statements do not Necessarily Reflect the Views of this Forum Network http://www.kleenkuip.com - http://www.kleenkuip.com |
Posted By: Dennis Conner
Date Posted: 19/August/2005 at 12:07am
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NEW FISH!
YUM YUM...and my fav way to eat fish????
Sushi!
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Posted By: jtuseo
Date Posted: 17/December/2005 at 10:28am
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As long as the portables are Gully I use them. ------------- WWW.PREFERREDCARPETCLEANING.COM |