It is best to do a walk threw. I personally do not charge the same for everything. some areas may need more attention than others, some may need content manipulation. Estimating is like a science once you do a couple you will slowly find out what you need to get to make money. Everyone's overhead is not the same.

Note:  If I want to hijack your post I will.

It is all about profit, right?

You must know your costs and that includes how long it will take you.

Walk through, exude professionalism and then give your price.

dontlikedennis wrote: you should make $100.00/hour.

For a hundred bucks I think I will hire a lawyer?

Where does this magical 100 per hour come from?

SHWN 200 per hour I hope you are the only quoting?

Maybe pinch yourself and say WAKEUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Superglide Ken wrote: Almost impossible to imagine in the GTA I suspose.

always this GTA comment... I DON'T LIKE IT!

yup,figure out your costs and go from there

@ $100 pr. hr. I'm making about $60- $70 pr.hr. wages with a TM

If I can bring in $75 pr. hr. I'm

MR. STEAMER wrote: we all should be charging by the hour anyway...  people would never ask you to go over spot or move furniture if you where on their clock..lol

Mr. Steamer people will pay you 30 cents a sq, ft. faster than they will pay 75 to 100 dollars an hr.

The GTA will pay if they trust you.

Its getting in the door that is important.

I have been charging about 25cents per sq.  Should I charge more?

i wont get off my arse for less than $100.00 gross an hour.

screw that!

My best advice to you would be grab as much as you can, do a decent job, pay your expenses, and take your wife or girlfriend out with the rest, or pay some bills. Times can be tough in this business, just remember the winter months and pretend they exist all year round. I bet if you were walking down the street and saw a dollar there, you would bend down and pick it up and be happy you found it.

                                  Nightrider

LilNiteRidrhood wrote: I count the profit.

Lee: We don't all get to sit on a throne and have the peasants shower us with cash.

mjzivko wrote: How bad are the winter months and why?

The winter months can be very slow.......it all depends on what kind of work you set yourself up for.....it is good to have commercial work just for this reason alone.......most times having these kind of contracts can get you through those rough months.   Every year is different but I have found that the new year starts off very slow for most and last sometimes until the end of March.  This is a fact in this industry and will hit your business sooner or later........it would be smart to put a little away for the slow times.........and remember they do not say feast or famine for nothing.

doug wrote: Get a life??

You have 8,000+ posts on this forum.  I think you need to get a life.  I spend the majority of my day making cash and optimizing my websites. 8,000 posts for what?  Every time I make a post my webistes get more powerful, but that is something you would not understand.

I pend the majority of my day making cash and optimizing my websites. 8,000 posts for what?  Every time I make a post my webistes get more powerful, but that is something you would not understand.

When you you learn how to do an estimate we will talk?   The only thing you got growing is your head.

doug wrote: When you you learn how to do an estimate we will talk?   The only thing you got growing is your head.

Still does not change the fact that you are in love with this forum and I am only here to get more links to increase the strength of my websites.  Oh, and I am estimating jobs just fine, I was just looking for some quality responses. 

 8,800+ posts! What the hell do you do all day? Take your old fashion wand, old school marketing and get bent.  There is a new wave of carpet cleaners coming that use state of the art equiptment and real marketing. Carpet cleaning is entering the 21st century and guys like me are on the fore-front.  This forum sucks because of guys like you and ken.  Why not use this forum for what it was intened for?  Share ideas and stories that will help all of us do better business.  You guys just blab back and forth about NOTHING! 

And Ken-Where the hell are my roto glides? May 28th the order was put in.

P.S. Most forum masters don't let people just blab off topic. I would not recommend this forum to anyone.

Doug,

     What kind of legitimate business today doesn't even have a website?  Get with it man.

Congratulations I am very happy for you and escecially since it is doing for you what it is supose to do. Different areas, population and a host of other things contribute how you must attract potential clients.  Unfortunately there is no magical ad or method of getting tht ad out to everyone works in every location. This new wave of cleaner you talk about and your state of the art equipment and your at the for-front??? I wish you luck. But I think you are more of a FOR-SKIN with your attitude. I seen your picture and the last I seen a head like that it was shook twice and  put away.  That is what I learned at the old school?

mjzivko,

Here's the deal, I now have all the info I need to proceed forward if you choose to still renig on the web design and search engine marketing contract between us.  I see the website you are now using.  Eventhough it is not the one I designed, you incorporated what I have taught you.  And even more you are bragging about it in this forum.  You have told everyone how good you are doing with your site so I can prove that you are just trying to renig on our contract to get out of paying me.  Here is a copy for all to see.

I will be willing to forgive the 2 remaining invoices, since you wont be using the site I built, but that is my final offer.  I'll expect the invoice you have by the 17th of June, 2005.  If not I can easily proceed for a summary judgement, I dont know if youll ever pay if I get one, but atleast your credit will reflect it, and it wont be easy for you to do this to someone else.

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Darrel Luth <darrel@phoenix-carpet-cleaning.com>
To: mattzivkovic1@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:54:52 -0700
Subject: Re: statcounter

Wow this is cool. Really hope it doesnt come down to this but did you all know that once you get a judgement in Illinois and hire a collection attorney or service the debtor has to pay for those costs as well!

http://www.keynote-collections.com/legislation.htm - http://www.keynote-collections.com/legislation.htm

WOW, Very entertaining...........I love it when the guy with brains wins the arguement, just goes to show you anyone can pretend to be someone he's not on the net, but truth and wisdom always prevails.

                                Nightrider

here is his reply, to the above post.  You all can even read the contract if you want.  I have an email by him stating its ok to start the work, and that the contract is in the mail.

Some people will steal from others, and then brag about it.  Thats ok, the 12 yr judgement record on his credit report will say it all.  Even if he never pays up.  The funny thing is he thinks I wont do it!!!

----- Original Message -----

From: mattzivkovic1@aol.com

To: darrel@phoenix-carpet-cleaning.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:39 PM

Subject: Fwd: Contract

Darrel,

       Dude, you got $600 to do very little work.  You know that I had a lot of knowledge about SEO before I met you.  You did fill in a lot of gaps for me, but so did SEO GUY and every other SEO forum I joined. I gave you $600.00 and now I  simply need to spend my money on more important things at this time.  We were still planning to go with you in the near future but you had to take to the open forums and try to threaten to sue me. 

 

I got news for you pal, we never signed sh*t.  The contract clearly states that signing the contract is a legal agreement.  Save your money, time, and walk away with your cash and remember this experience next time you do this.  $600 is not bad for changing the word phoenix to chicago and stealing my testimonials from my web site.  And Phone training?  You bull sh*tted with me and answered a few questions.  The fact is that you could of kept us as clients.  Try to sue me for $1800 with an unsigned contract. Good luck! This is America, and with out the signature you ain't got sh*t.

 

p.s. should of had a fax machine and you would of had me by the balls. Too bad. Live and learn!

 

 

 

 

This is a legally binding contract.  Signing this contract is a legal agreement for both parties to honor.  Failure by either party may result in legal action.

 

Amendment:  When both parties start to make big money Darrel agrees to show C&Z a good time in AZ!  Sure thing, one big party you pay for airfare....  lol

 

 

Signed    _________________________            Signed    ____________________

                Darrel Luth PCCC                                            Matt Zivkovic C & Z

-----Original Message-----
From: Darrel Luth <darrel@phoenix-carpet-cleaning.com>
To: mattzivkovic1@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:47:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Contract

 

Contract Agreement

 

 

Between: Darrel Luth of Phoenix Carpet Cleaning Company & The Chambers and Zivkovic Partnership.

 

Payment Total: $2,400.00 + additional consulting

       

    A. Payment Schedule:

1.      June 1^st, 2005.-$600.00

2.      June 15^th, 2005.-600.00

3.      July 1^st, 2005.-$600.00

4.      July 15^th, 2005.-$600.00

 

         B. Late Payments: Darrel can temporally or permanently shut down Chicago-carpet-cleaner.com until payment is made in full.  Darrel retains access to all passwords and security codes that pertain to the website until entire fee is paid in full.  Then they will be given to a Chambers and Zivkovic Partnership representative.

 

         C.&nbs p;The costs associated with the link campaign and hosting for this website will be the responsibility of Chambers and Zivkovic Partnership(C&Z).  Any cost associated with this area shall be reimbursed to Darrel Luth of Phoenix Carpet Cleaning Co. immediately, as long as they were approved through email by (C&Z).

 

Work to be preformed by Darrel Luth of PCC for the Chambers and Zivkovic Partnership(C&Z).

 

1.      Build a functioning Rotovac themed website targeting the Chicagoland area with the domain name of Chicago-carpet-cleaner.com.

2.      Build the site using proper and ethical search engine optimization techniques available to the web designer (Darrel).

3.      Educate C&Z on how to update and do minor customizations to the site.

4.      Educated and consult C&Z on how to do search engine optimization and how to increase the link popularity of the site.

5.      Spend a total of 12 hours of phone time fulfilling items #3 & #4.

6.      Will make all attempts in assisting the site, with in reason, to get first page rankings with the major keywords associated with the theme.

7.   Additional phone consultations over the 12 hour period will be due in advance through paypal.  The rate will be $125 per Hour and a half.

8.   Initial payment is to be made through Paypal.

 

 

This is a legally binding contract.  Singing this contract is a legal agreement for both parties to honor.  Failure by either party may result in legal action.

 

Amendment:  When both parties start to make big money Darrel agrees to show C&Z a good time in AZ!  Sure thing, one big party you pay for airfare....  lol

 

 

Signed    _________________________            Signed    ____________________

                Darrel Luth PCCC                                            Matt Zivkovic C & Z

 

Darrel Luth
Phoenix Carpet Cleaning
480-217-7055
http://www.phoenix-carpet-cleaning.com - www.phoenix-carpet-cleaning.com

----- Original Message -----

From: mattzivkovic1@aol.com

To: Darrel@phoenix-carpet-cleaning.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:57 PM

Subject: Contract

 

Please put your last name in the text and add some signature lines.  Also add anything that you want stated in this contract.  Hopefully you like these terms.  Let me know!

 

 

Contract Agreement

 

 

Between: Darrel of Phoenix Carpet Cleaning & The Chambers and Zivkovic

Partnership

 

Payment Total: $2,400.00

        A. Payment Schedule:

1.      June 1^st, 2005.-$600.00

2.      June 15^th, 2005.-600.00

3.      July 1^st, 2005.-$600.00

4.      July 15^th, 2005.-$600.00

 

         B. Late Payments: Darrel can temporally shut down Chicago-carpet-cleaner.com until payment is made.  Darrel retains access to all pass words and security codes that pertain to the website until entire fee is paid in full.

 

Work to be preformed by Darrell of PCC for the Chambers and Zivkovic Partnership(C&Z).

1.      Build a functioning Rotovac themed website targeting the Chicagoland area with the domain name of Chicago-carpet-cleaner.com.

2.      Build the site using all search engine optimization techniques available to the web designer (Darrel).

3.      Educate C&Z on how to update and do minor customizations to the site.

4.      Educated and consult C&Z on how to do search engine optimization and how to increase the link popularity of the site.

5.      Spend a total of 12 hours of phone time fulfilling items #3 & #4.

6.      Will make all attempts in assisting the site, with in reason, to get first page rankings with the major keywords associated with the theme.

 

This is a legally binding contract.  Signing this contract is a legal agreement for both parties to honor.  Failure by either party may result in legal action.

 

Amendment:  When both parties start to make big money Darrel agrees to show C&Z a good time in AZ! 

 

Signed    _________________________            Signed    ____________________

                Darrel Luth PCCC                                            Matt Zivkovic C & Z

Matt,

you might want to check out the law, small claims is all I need, hell maybe Judge Judy, that would be fun.  There is tons of case law regarding e contracting, maybe you should look it up. 

Anyway, this will probably shake your memory.  Dont worry about anything though, I have the resolve to see this through.

This is only one of many emails showing the ongoing work throughout the contract not to mention my phone logs.

I've got plenty, a judgement on your credit will do way more harm to your ability to do business then a settlement.  Think it over and be smart about it this time.

----- Original Message -----

From: mattzivkovic1@aol.com

To: Darrel@phoenix-carpet-cleaning.com

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:52 PM

Subject: Fax number?

Darrel,

     Hi. I was wondering what your fax number is?  Let me know and I will get a signed copy of the contract to you.  We also need to agree on a payment method.  Western Uninon Works, but be a cost on us.  Pay pal works, but will be a cost to you.  Let's figure out something that is fair for both of us.

                                     

                                                         -Matt

Ken,

Are you doing web sites under another name?

doug wrote: Someme is on the leading edge. I hope they don't fall off.

Doug........your good man........you never miss an opportunity.

with

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