How many here consider SPEED
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Topic: How many here consider SPEED
Posted By: PadMan
Subject: How many here consider SPEED
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 4:36pm
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of cleaning and return on investement for equipment being purchased. For example, if you knew of four machines that all do the same thing and: Machine one cost $900.00 and cleaned at 400 Square feet per hour Machine two cost $2000.00 and cleaned at 600-700 Square feet per hour plus cleans berber better Machine three cost $2200.00 and cleaned at 800-900 Square feet per hour plus cleaned berber and grout and tile better Machine four cost $2400.00 and cleaned at 1000-1500 Square feet per hour, plus cleaned berber, grout and tile better again MUCH faster.
Which one of these would be the most attractive BUSINESS purchase?
Serious replies please!
------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |
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Posted By: cleanex
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 5:27pm
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I would go the more expensive machine that does more carpet per hour in your above post, however, if you are talking truckmounted equipment I would not follow that example, I would be looking for the most reliable unit, and one that had a service provider within easy driving distance. In truck units the most expensive could easily be the most troublesome when it comes to breakdowns. ------------- DON ELDRED YOU CAN "STAND" ON OUR REPUTATION |
Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 5:44pm
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Thank you Don, on my bbs I am getting similar responses... ie: #4
#4
I would buy number 5.. Bob Vawter's Steam Genie PTO.........The one on the Jon Don site!!
#6 go into business management and tell the cleaner which one to buy!!!
#4
#4 once business justified a upgrade from what I have now.
#4,
From a real life experience the price of machine has little to do with it's cleaning rate. I look for quality of construction, warranty and in my eyes is it worth what it costs. The price of these machines are too high for what the user gets.
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 8:29pm
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maybe it's a trick... I'll say #1 ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Jodi
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 9:00pm
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I would buy Machine #4 all day long. Here is an example of why: If I book a 5000 square foot job (commercial semi open plan office), the market will bear only 7 - 10 cents per square foot. This means I can only bill $500 maximum for this work to be competitive: Here is a breakdown to clean 5000 square feet with the machines listed. Machine #1 (400 sq ft/hr) - 12.5 hrs - billable rate = $40 / hour Machine #2 (600 sq ft/hr) - 8.3 hrs - billable rate = $60 / hour Machine #3 (800 sq ft/hr) - 6.25 hrs - billable rate = $80 / hour Machine #4 (1000 sq ft/hr) - 5.0 hrs - billable rate = $100 / hour So, with Machine #4, I can make a decent buck for my time.
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Posted By: PadMan
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 9:19pm
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Well it seems we have a gal who can do math too!
Wow this could get interesting
Welcome aboard Jodi! ------------- Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years! |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 9:21pm
Her other job is a mathemetician
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Posted By: Jodi
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 9:22pm
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If one train leaves Boston heading West travelling 90 mph and another train leaves Boston travelling North at 75 mph who makes the most money? |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 9:24pm
The guys on the red board. 
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Posted By: Jodi
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 9:25pm
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Yes, math is fine but that does not include measuring. Last week I was using one of those roley measurer things and wrote down that a room was 734 feet long. HMMMMMM since it was only 20 feet wide I think something was amis. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 9:27pm
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Sounds like a long hallway to me. 14680 sq ft of hallway
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Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 9:32pm
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I'd buy the cheap machine and get a faster and stronger worker and burn him out......... Nightrider |
Posted By: Adwa
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 11:04pm
Talk is cheap........if you want to go for the best........let's see some green first.  ------------- The Following Statements do not Necessarily Reflect the Views of this Forum Network http://www.kleenkuip.com - http://www.kleenkuip.com |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 09/May/2005 at 11:42pm
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Adwa I can see why you answered the way you did, and know one knows better than you that the 500Psi Ninja cleans 20% faster then the 100Psi Ninja. However the 100Psi Ninja out sells every thing else, especially to the Newbies. Only the long term experienced cleaner buys high pressure at high prices. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: Rick/Magic
Date Posted: 10/May/2005 at 4:08pm
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I'll just stick with my Pro Chem truck mount...I don't worry about speed...I charge enough that I can take my time and do the job right the first time...... ------------- 25 years of cleaning carpet and my back hurts |
Posted By: Phoenixcarpet
Date Posted: 10/May/2005 at 4:18pm
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Get the more expensive one. I opted for a 200 psi system when I started and wish I would have gotten more power. Still works pretty fast but I have to scrub more still than if I had more pressure. ------------- Darrel http://www.phoenix-carpet-cleaning.com - Phoenix, AZ Carpet Cleaning Company |
Posted By: greg
Date Posted: 10/May/2005 at 5:32pm
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1000 to 1500 sq per hpur thats a no brainer, or at least you would think it would be. ------------- nothing is impossable. it just hasn't been done yet. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 10/May/2005 at 6:31pm
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Padman said
"of cleaning and return on investement for equipment being purchased." the 900 dollar one would return your investment faster... wouldn't it.. you didn't have much out lay easier to make it back ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Jodi
Date Posted: 10/May/2005 at 7:01pm
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It really depends on how you look at it. Payback time is only one consideration. If your $900 machine makes you $40 /hour it will take you 22.5 hours of cleaning to pay for the machine. If your $2400 machine makes you $100 / hour it will take you 24.0 hours of cleaning to pay for the machine. So, your $900 machine is paid back marginally faster. HOWEVER, after you pay back the initial investment the more expensive machine puts you ahead in leaps and bounds. After 50 hours of cleaning here is how you stand... Machine 1 - 50 hours at $40/hr = $2000 of revenue at a cost of $900. Gross profit = $1100 Machine 4 - 50 hours at $100/hour = $5000 of revenue at a cost of $2400. Gross profit = $2600 Of course this scenario is in a world where we all have $2400 available to purchase a machine and 50 hours of this type of work comming in and a full schedule where we could be doing other, more profitable work. But from a pure finance standpoint, Machine 4 will always win. |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 11/May/2005 at 1:39am
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Hey Jodi,................ If john's sisters aunt is 3 times older than Billy's 19 year old brother Kenny, but 2 times younger than Sue's sister-in-laws little 12 year old poodle, what is the price of apples in Africia Nightrider |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 11/May/2005 at 2:21am
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I get your point Jack, but I really think the price of apples in africa has more to do wether the tribe that wants to purchase them there has any money.........
but, I could be wrong about that........ ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: nightrider
Date Posted: 11/May/2005 at 1:47pm
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Kenny ......if they have money to buy your glides.........they have money for apples.....................hey there's an idea for ya Ken...........make a glide for a vegitable peeler............peel those potatoes, carrots, and apples in record breaking time Nightrider
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Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 11/May/2005 at 2:05pm
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Good idea, Jack. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 11/May/2005 at 2:36pm
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UNFORTUNATELY.......................... Ted's right! Only the experienced operator can and will appreciate the difference.
Good Fortune to all; Ed Valentine |
Posted By: kylie
Date Posted: 14/May/2005 at 11:47am
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I am confused.... I have a portable, I clean at about 220psi with a prochem 14 inch wand, my portable cost with all the bits about $8000. An empty standard 4 bed Aussie home takes me about 1.5 - 2 hours (IICRC standard) I have spoken to guys with truckmounts with bigger wands......$30,000AU. It take them less time to set up but will still take them 1 -1.5 hours. What am i missing??? |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 14/May/2005 at 12:49pm
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Money in your wallet???? ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 14/May/2005 at 2:06pm
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you're not missing alot kylie
I've never been a porty guy but I actually envy the MUCH LOWER operating costs
there's the heat pressure and vacuum thing which it sounds like you can deal with and still do a good job.I'm also sure you can do alot of jobs that I can not get at
but for my area of Redneck customers............if you don't have a TM they are far less likely to hire you.......sad but true
the thing I am missing from not being a portable operator is the bucket brigade
alot of it is a testosterone thing and image
I also think using a TM is a bit less strenuous ------------- A.K.A. Andy |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 14/May/2005 at 3:53pm
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Especially with a good glide on that TM wand. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 14/May/2005 at 7:48pm
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A good portable guy will run stroke for stroke with a TM guy.... The only thing bad about a porty is that youi have to lug it in and out... hoses are much lighter ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 14/May/2005 at 8:33pm
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Not with a glide on the wand he wont steamer. On the commercial jobs, we can average 1550 ft per hour with our Ti wands with superglides on them. Try doing that with a portable machine. With the lower pressure and lower vacuum power they run at, you are only to be half of that production rate. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: kylie
Date Posted: 14/May/2005 at 9:20pm
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Thanks, I would definately agree about the bucket..I would like more heat and suction for sure. But at this time I dont do alot of commercial most is residential, carpets usually dry within 1-3 hours. As you say operating (lease) and maintenance on my portable is only about $70 per week and cost per job chemicals if I use the lot is about $2.50. I average about $50 -$70 per hour which at this stage is great, compared to $25p hour cleaning. As my confidence, clients, and referals grow I will feel more confident is charging more and hoping to see a truck mount in my driveway in about 3 years. I am only doing about 3-4 carpets per week at this stage. I'm not the cheapest in the area there are those charging out $55 per house that I charge $130 and then you have those charging $190 for the same, I have trouble justifying that price to myself, and have to remember that they are not charging for you to do the job as such but the knowledge and experience to do it well..... The superglide master........ Does the superglide fully cover the bottom of the wand where the suction bit is or some how over the jets too?? I have a prochem trojan machine, like the cobra..would it make a great difference for me or not as much ... |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 14/May/2005 at 9:47pm
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You want SPEED... http://tinyurl.com/7us43 - http://tinyurl.com/7us43 |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 3:45am
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Kylie: The Superglide fully covers the lips of the wand, not the spray jets. Those still spray normally on most wands. The dry times are reduced as well as the drag. The SuperLip works even better however. Because there is no holes on it, it is smoother to push. It drys the carpets faster on residential carpet with pad faster as well. And best Of all, I ship to Australia for only $10. Add that to the $25 cost of the glide, and you have a delivered price to you of only $35. A great bargain. ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 8:53am
Is this the glide section
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 9:31am
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Kylie: The Superglide lips fully cover your dong, not just the head. It will still spray normally in most situations. The relieve times are reduced as when you are in drag. The SuperLip works even better however. Because my seal on it, it is smoother when you suck. It draws the whole length of the tool right inl. And best Of all, I strip in Australia for only $10. Add that to the $25 cost of lap dance, and you have a delivered price to you of only $35. A great bargain. ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 9:35am
Did I go to the glide section by mistake??? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 11:07am
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I was asked a question in this section. I was not going to post the answer over in the glide section, cause then it would not make sense. Every section is the glide section if the question is raised in the middle of a thread outside that section. Clear enough, Doug? I take the questions on glides where I find them, eh? Take off, you hoser! ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 12:16pm
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SGK: I will attempt to EDIT as many as your answers as I can outside the glide section. Just incase someone dosen't fully understand your answer?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Superglide Ken wrote:Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 12:26pm
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Ken's porn glides |
Posted By: Adwa
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 12:40pm
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Doug great imagination. ------------- The Following Statements do not Necessarily Reflect the Views of this Forum Network http://www.kleenkuip.com - http://www.kleenkuip.com |
Posted By: Jodi
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 1:10pm
Doug, that was your best work yet! 
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Posted By: Steaminpile
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 1:25pm
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Kylie wrote
"I have trouble justifying that price to myself"
I have personally suffered the same problem in the past
It truly doesn't matter what you are willing to pay.........it is what the customer is willing to pay
we are our own worst enemies in some ways
not saying you have to,but I bet if you were to raise your prices the only person who would have that big of a problem with it is you
I've been there not too long ago..........and still getting over it
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Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 6:19pm
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I guess I'm there now.... I have a low 2 rooms for $40 buck min.... what I have noticed in the last 3 months of advertising no one books the $40 dollar call...cause I don't advertise it I advertise the 3 rooms + hall for $60.. hardly never book a min call.... I also advertise incentives to get the price over $120 which works very well I noticed adding the car cleaning pushes the money up into the $200 I had a call average this may of $115... which I can live with as long as you're happy...it'll show in your quality of work ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 7:02pm
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If you happy and you know it clap you hands?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 7:36pm
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No thanks, I'll stomp my feet |
Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 8:28pm
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Can you clap and stomp at the same time?? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 8:52pm
What do you think, I'm coordinated. I can't even walk and chew gum at the same time
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 9:05pm
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Another certification I didn't know you had? ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 9:31pm
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I got em all
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 10:01pm
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A Grand Master! ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 10:04pm
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A Platinum Grand Master of Everything All the Time
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 10:06pm
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Wow your dues must be out of this world. The only other individual with those qualifications is Mr. "B" ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 10:25pm
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Posted By: doug
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 11:06pm
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That is what happens when you worship the God of the Carpet ------------- Just My opinion |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 11:14pm
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the poor people reading this thread have no clue whats going on..lol ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 11:14pm
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you can clap your hands you can stomp your feet I'll go to the bank ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Adwa
Date Posted: 15/May/2005 at 11:50pm
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You would understand Steamer...........but you have to read back a few pages to catch up. ------------- The Following Statements do not Necessarily Reflect the Views of this Forum Network http://www.kleenkuip.com - http://www.kleenkuip.com |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 16/May/2005 at 12:08am
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I hate reading all these one liners ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |
Posted By: Superglide Ken
Date Posted: 16/May/2005 at 12:11am
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But don't mind posting them, eh? ------------- Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs. |
Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 16/May/2005 at 12:59am
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I hate reading them too. Posting them is better
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 16/May/2005 at 2:13am
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Mr. Steamer.. yea i've ran those 2rms for 40 many times.. nothing wrong with that.. it gets'em to call you... nice thing about it is i usually walk out with a nice size check too!! They always want more services or protector..LOL!!!! love it man...
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Posted By: Rick/Magic
Date Posted: 16/May/2005 at 8:00am
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I charge a flat rate of $35.00 per room...$35.00 per flight of stairs...simple pricing...it seems to work for me...as for portable vs. truck-mount...my first experence with a truck-mount was when I had used a demo to do a banquit room in a hotel that took me and two other people 1 1/2 hours to clean with 2 portable machines...I did the same room in 45 minutes by myself with the truck-mount...3/4 man hours vs. 4 1/2 man hours...that convenced me to invest in a truck-mount... ------------- 25 years of cleaning carpet and my back hurts |
Posted By: MR. STEAMER
Date Posted: 16/May/2005 at 6:38pm
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35 bucks a rooom WOW! That won't shake up in the GTA you go Ricky Magic shake your wand wand shake yer wand wand ------------- www.mr-steamer.com |