First of all that's a good question.  KK has the schools on the demand of the people.  I don't know why the other organization don't hold classes any more.

Wealth you got to be kidding. It's a lot of man hours to put a school on and sometimes you are lucky to break even.

Those of you interested inleather should take Harry's class. Great course!

Take care,

Lisa

Harry Who?

Adwa,

I think I read somewhere it was a health and safety course or something like that.

Adwa wrote: I don't know why the other organization don't hold classes any more. It's a lot of man hours to put a school on and sometimes you are lucky to break even.

This suggests to me that Certification is declining. Maybe instead of trying to squeeze more money from it's current registrants by forcing them to take unnecessary courses, they should have concentrated on getting new registrants. Oh well, they don't listen to the registrants anyway. They just do their own thing. Of course this is just my opinion.

cmaster wrote: Harry Who? Adwa, I think I read somewhere it was a health and safety course or something like that.

Ya you could be right about Lee's course. He will not be to happy with me not remembering.

Harry Hide: Teaches the leather course. We held two of those courses for him last year.

cmaster wrote: Adwa wrote: I don't know why the other organization don't hold classes any more. It's a lot of man hours to put a school on and sometimes you are lucky to break even. This suggests to me that Certification is declining. Maybe instead of trying to squeeze more money from it's current registrants by forcing them to take unnecessary courses, they should have concentrated on getting new registrants. Oh well, they don't listen to the registrants anyway. They just do their own thing. Of course this is just my opinion.

Paul I am constantly working on getting new clients for these course's. The ones that are already certified find me.  The upholstery coarse we are having in May is the hardest to fill. You guys don't mind the carpet but feel you don't require the Uph. coarse which is silly because if you ruin uph. you pay way more than you would carpet.

Adwa,

I'm not suggesting that you don't work hard on getting people to take courses. I realize that education and training are important.

I am suggesting that instead of inventing new courses and forcing current registrants to take them so they can advertise that they provide this service is BS. I have been stripping & refinishing floors for 26 years, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna tell customers that I can't advertise that anymore because I haven't been certified by the F'n IICRC.

Damn, now your gettin' me fired up

And you think that most cleaners pay attention to that rule. I bet half of them don't even know about it. I'm sure they don't have a security team out there checking to see if you are CF in every service that you provide. Does it not say on your card what service you are CF in.

If you advertise that you are CF with the IICRC in a certain service and your not then that's were the BS lyes. 

There is some truth in what they say.  You have to work at something to get change. If you call and say this and that it will not work. You have to go to the meetings to voice your opinion and be consistent in what changes you think would work.  I realize that you and most people will not go through the trouble to do this. If they were bombarded with e-mails someone has to listen. Change takes time and any one person can make a difference.

They never had any trouble coming up with new courses for the registrants and I will admit some of them are good courses. But changing the rules to suit the registrants is a big deal apparently. BS. Its because they don't want to change them.

There are many good cc'ers who have quit sending their money and given up their certs because of what has transpired over the past few years. It's a shame. You would think the BOD would get the message when guys who have been certified for years just quit. I doubt if anyone even contacted them about it at the time. The IICRC doesn't give a $hit. They tell you that they do, but actions speak louder than words. The only ones who can't see what is happening are the ones making the rules. In my opinion of course.

I flew to Toronto, Ottawa and Chicago to take courses. I drove to Minneapolis. I have spent thousands of dollars on travel and hotels. I really believed in certification and worked hard at it. Then they tell you that if you don't take a colour repair course, which I have absolutely no interest in, you will lose your Master status. F'k them.

Sorry, just venting.

Hugh Sinclair will be having classes announced soon.

QCSS2000 has a number of classes on an on going basis.

So does the Center for Disaster Recovery in Barrie.

So does Fibreclean in Ottawa.

So does Restoration College in Ottawa.

So does the Floorcovering Institute of Ontario.

And as a matter of fact QCSS2000 will be having the new Health and Safety Technician class on April 25 and 26 and again May 2 and 3.

No heckling!!!!!!!!

After talking to Hugh I didn't think he was going to bother with schools anymore?  I guess things change.

Master Cleaner and the IICRC

I for one was a big promoter of IICRC and certification, until they made the change to drop water damage and replace it with color repair certification as a requirement for Master cleaner status. They than made water damage into a catagory of it's own with some silly master tag, I can't remember at this time.

In my eye this was all about creating more schools for a very few instructors, whom I will not name. I have been very vocal on this subject, to the point where I have been told to back off by some of the IICRC officers, and after a while I just gave up and no longer am a registered firm, I do continue to advertise that I am a master cleaner and will to do so until the day I get out of this business. If the IICRC wants to come after me let them.

I still think that it is far more important for a technician to have some basic water damage knowledge, than it is to send them to a colour repair classl that they will never ever use.  From my days on the Board of IICRC most of the schools are directed at the technician level and it seems that the people who make the decisions at the IICRC have forgotten that.

I also understand the need for advanced water damage schools in light of the mould issues in the USA, and I have no problem with that being a seperate issue, and the need for advanced education on that topic is vital.   

Watch it you guys,

Scott and Joe are going to show up here and tell us we have no reason to bash a great org like the IICRC. Then we'll have to listen to how wonderful everyone is and how it's all about the registrants. Fortunately, some of us can't be fooled by the BS. We have formed our opinions based on the facts.

I do not bash education, I think we should get all of it we can, nothing wrong with taking schools and writting the IICRC exam, after all the of the best info you get at these schools is during lunch breaks talking to your fellow cleaners.

I do not like organizations like the IICRC forcing me to take colour repair school to maintain my master cleaner status, as I said in my above post I will continue to use and advertise that I am a master cleaner until the day I leave this business.

IICRC & IDE Certifified Master Carpet Cleaner.

IICRC & IDE Certifified Master Carpet Cleaner.

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Don: Who is IDE??

cleanex wrote: It is time that the IICRC stopped being controlled by so few and get in step with the people that pay the way. If I had my way NO ONE THAT TEACHES A CLASS WOULD BE ALLOWED TO SERVE AS A DIRECTOR OF THE IICRC, this one giant step would stop the approval of unnecessary schools, or at least a lot more indepth forthought would go into the approval of any school.

In the real world, this is a conflict of interest. However, it seems that the BOD doesn't see it that way. I wonder why?

I guess it really comes down in which field of carpet cleaning you work in..

residential  IICRC is not needed

commercial IICRC will get you the job companies with ISO's will look at having IICRC more favorable

MR. STEAMER wrote: commercial IICRC will get you the job companies with ISO's will look at having IICRC more favorable

Why do you think that?

Doug

IDE Certified

I DON ELDRED AM CERTIFIED TO BE THE BEST CARPET CLEANER IN THE ENTIRE REGION.

Greg,

That's great. I'm happy for you. You made your cert money back.

Don,

I think I'll use that on my business cards. I'm IPB certified