Read the thread" Kleen Kuip is now Master Distributor" to find out how Lisa and Greenie have been suckering all those nice carpet cleaners from the ICS Board and John's Blue Board into paying out $169 to $199US for their glides, all the while explaining that she must get that price to make it worthwhile for them to do it. And who can forget her posting on this board that she has never changed her pricing on these glides since they started selling last year. Yet 20 to 30 carpet cleaners in Arizona were able to buy these same glides direct from them in Tempe  AZ about a month ago when they were selling them there direct for the $99 price at a customer appreciation day there. I would say that several hundred people have been over-paying on their Glides these last 5 months.

LOL

That's bad business Lisa....................that's a No No in the business world

                                 Nightrider

Dan: I don't do that. I have never sold direct to end users on ebay and never will. Only established distributors can do that. I have no financial interest in any off them. Distributors buy glides from me from prices starting at $100 to down to under $50 depending on their monthly buy volume. What prices they sell at after that is their business. Those that sell by the internet are free to sell whereever they chose.

SGK

sell through distribution or sell direct but not both.

screw the distributor is screwing yourself.

What a joke, the scamman points his finger at normal business practice?

Ken, the guy who has sold a million versions, for all different prices and a week after making one glide calls his old version "last weeks" obsolete?

Then says he can sell them for $50.00? How do you justify SCREWING som many people, using YOUR logic?

What a piece of

work..

Don't...............

Yes, I will be there.............

John,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LOL

Ken,

We did not sell those glides direct at Allen Equip. in Chandler, AZ. They made a special offer to generate interest in the glides and we offered to come in person to demo, install and answer questions. Every sale was done through Allen Equipment and they set the sale price, not us. Call them and ask Dave at 480-961-5307. I have the invoice to them to prove it.

Bite me.

I don't undercut my distributors, and they make a fair profit carrying our glides and so do we. We also sell direct on our website, at suggested retail price. No one is undercut. Tell me how you have decided where most of our sales come from Ken? You haven't a clue.

I prefer not to get nasty here. In fact, I even stood up for you over the wand fiasco and confirmed your story. Believe me you have left a trail of bitter, angry people in your wake, Ken, and I hear their stories ever day, but I don't post them. Be glad I have more integrity than most.

Take care,

Lisa

ROFLMAO

Yep, just another day in paradise Kenny boy!

Then somebody is lying here Lisa , either you or Dave

Just think "track record"....

Yep must be Lisa or Dave, we KNOW Ken is upstanding and honest... oh yeah baby!

Ken,

Allen pays more for our glides than they did for yours. Price isn't everything, you know.

No, we didn't drive five hours to crash their party Ken. We had discussed going to the event with them nearly a month before, and several other times as the date approached.

Take care,

Lisa

Superglide Ken wrote: Just dropping in to another manufacturers customers event to sell glides would be a low thing for anyone to do.

Kind of like you going to the Vortex booth at Connections where you were not invited and Lisa and Greenie were and pulling the 'Psst, hey buddy, want to buy this glide in my sock?'.......

I'd love to be a glass disty in Calgary...I think nipples pad needs a few new walls!!!!!

I read about a new glide in town on the ICS board, anybody else?? And you won't believe the price.

ladies & Gentlemen;

Here is my take on the thread that Ken started, if you are interested in reading:

First:   IMHO, an honorable manufacturer would never make that direct a comment in regards to their competition. Helping someone, or defending one's position is one thing; however, this was pathetic.

Second:   As someone who has entered the manufacturing arena, as Greenie and Lisa have done in an honest effort to help this Industry and provide them with Glides that really work, and deliver on that promise, perhaps having a lower Introductory price would not at all be uncommon (if that is what it really was) because their effort would be to get their product out in the market at a teririfc cost and value to the Professional Cleaner. Not being familiar with production costs, as they keep refining & improving their product (which I believe Lisa/Greenie have done btw) , it is not uncommon to label it with a more justafiable cost that will benefit both parties.

In the end, the difference is peanuts for a much improved product that will out perform "the other guys"!

Kenny should know that "CHEAPER isn't ALWAYS BETTER".

Finally, IMHO, Ken, I would suggest that you keep your nose to the grind stone and stop this childish non-sense with your competition, Lisa & Greenie. You might be running high today because of Ted's generosity and help; but tomarrow you may end up sucking hind titty. A lesson (hopefully) we all have learned...........................except perhaps you?

Good Fortune to all;

Ed Valentine

http://www.cross-american.com - www.cross-american.com   

BULLsh*t Ken, I have seen MANY of your glides, many are not much more than CRAP, you know it, I know it, many others know it, you have NOT paid attention.

Ken, how can you say ANYTHING? You have stated here that you are in this JUST FOR THE MONEY, and they you make those types of claims against competitors, who make BEAUTIFUL glides and CONSISTENTLY product quality which you can only dream about as you SIT THERE in front of your computer.

What you FAIL to understand Ken is that the industry DID HAVE A NEED, a need for an HONEST REPUTABLE glide manufacturer, that you were UNABLE to supply.

Look at YOUR past prices on glides Ken and then get off this holier than thou kick about what others charge, at least when people order from them they GET them and only get their cards run for what they OWE.

You can type, post, talk and do whatever you want, but YOUR past and YOUR reputation is simply catching up to you. This could ALL have been avoided had you been honest and fair with people.

Isn't karma great.....

It's kicking kenni square in the shorts right now!!!

     It's a beatiful day today and I busted my mailto:b@lls - b@lls yesterday untill 11:30pm

Gona start up the   HARLEY   and take the day off and check out the beaches in the area.

Have a nice day!

WHO'S GLIDE IS THE BEST DEAL??????????

Well the answer on that is clear enough. Unless you like paying over $120 more for a product that works no better, our glide is the one.

Will it be $39.95 or $169.00?

It is tough making choices when the one that does not work any better either in cleaning and drying is over 4X More expensive is it not?

SUPERGLIDES RULE!!!!!!!!

over all other glides no matter how they fit to a wand!Best value bar none!

Fricken hypocrit, who charged the ridiculous high prices?

Ken did and according to him, he RIPPED people off for all they were worth with faulty glides plus by the time they got them he had a new one that as BETTER< FASTER ETC... making each one obsolete.

Just plain NOT trustworthy

BULLsh*t KEN, I know plenty of them that never got squat and got stuck with glides you refused to replace that we CRAP.

I got the pics Ken, and I KNOW the people.

You might be able to fool a few more here... but the end is coming!

Kenny is Vader

Lisa is Princess LAYA...lol

Padman is Yoda....

Chuck is skywalker..

Doug is C3PO

I'll be R2D2

C3PO is all made of Gold and very bossy that role is made for Waldo.   Steamer Doug is more like Solo every man's man kind of guy.

Where do guys like Ken come from ?

Most folks have one or two weaknesses.......so how does one person get to be a braggart, a liar, a cheat, a fool, a failed broke gold and oil trader, the highest priced CC'er in Canada, living in a mansion surrounded by chickens and car wrecks who always seems to lose his shipments AND has the unmitigated stupidity and bad manners to publically dump on Lisa on the basis of so little evidence?  

Have you absolutely so SHAME Kenny ??

I think the answer to that is obvious!!

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

oh...and you forgot ken is a bodybuilder too!!!

I can't believe this Ken.

And, 3400 glides sold last year???

I have been in this Industry as a manufacturer longer than most and can say that that is the most extreme exageration I have ever heard, especially since your market does not carry overseas. (be careful here because I have alittle experience here my friend)

I really wish you would come down to earth and tell the truth that would HELP this industry--rather than hurt--- and the honest hard working individuals who support their families.

I truly hope that Ted knows what he is getting into. He is too good a person to have his name and efforts tarnished in anyway.

Fingers crossed-

Good Fortune to all;

Ed Valentine

http://www.cross-american.com - www.cross-american.com

3400.....yep, and he's ging to double that this year...

By buying his own stuff on eBay!!!

 I've have never tried this super glide, I live in Dallas Tx, and up till the other day, no one down here will admit to buying one.  I did however talk to a guy in Maine that purchased one, and he said it was a piece of crap, would not get close to walls, and keep getting clogged up, and didn't make the job any easier.  The main reason I would have even thought about buying one would be, because it would make carpet cleaning easier, but still clean the carpet.  Then when I found out that he made them for the RX-20 I though WHY? I've never had any problem pushing the RX-20 around, unless their was no elect., then I try not to use the RX-20, so why would you buy this for a RX-20 or better yet, why invent it for the RX-20.  Maybe he is in it for the money, and whats wrong with admiting to that, Thats why I clean carpet.  So I think about the quality of the product and the person sell the item, I notice under kens name he also sold the turbo duct cleaning piece of crap, and I know that for a fact, I purchased one, It sounded great moved alot of air, and had the ease of being put on your truck mount hose(just make sure you glue it on or it will come off) anyway after doing a few jobs I just didn't feel it was working, so I had a friend with a camera that would go into the vent and take a look, after seeing that it just made a lot of noise,and cleaned nothing, I went back and refunded the money on the jobs I did, I think it is just a marketing ploy,  try to be honest and build a good product the first time, and if its not then don't push on people with dishonesty