OP vs HWE The Saga Continues

I'm pretty new to this business.  I've started out with a used portable machine.  Only method I ever knew about was HWE,  The only method any one ever asks me if I do was HWE.

You are obviously fairly new, and if you advertise HWE then why in the heck would they ask you to Pad? Humm?

I have invested roughly $1000.00 dollars into a portable machine.. and another $150 dollars in chemical. 

If you got a porty and 150 dollars in chems, you are not outcleaning much of anybody, get real.

I've already made that back and more.

Whoppie, a day or two worth of work

I looked at an OP machine, the price is outrageous.  The machine, the pads, the chemical well over $4000.00 and I'll always have laundry to do.

ROFLMAO,  Maybe now people will see why I say, "Ignorance is bliss" $4000 dollars to go into yoru own business is too much for you? Think about that statement, most HWE guys invest 30-70 thousand in their business. You probably think you outclean them too. Pads washing, LOL, the washer does the work, good grief, two - three loads a day to make 800-1000 a day and that is TOO much for you.

Ignorance is bliss.  Thats all I keep reading on the forum.  I wasn't ignorant to the facts and I still bought a HWE unit.

You still are a bit ignorant of a LOT of facts. Nothing wrong with HWE, but by your following statements I can guarantee you that you are WAY short on facts.

Do I believe OP operators are getting the prices they say???  NO

Of course not, probably because you CAN"T, why, because you are just like MOST cleaners. Even the HWE guys that ADD ON Op to their toolbox, they charge an average of 30% MORE for OP to their HWE customers. So what you believe is hardly relavent.

Do I believe OP cleans better??? NO

And you base this on?????????

I have been doing this for 31 years, no, not selling so much as PROVING a point to HWE guys, that is why I have so many pictures on my website, because "I" cleaned them all. So again, what you believe changes NOTHING, but it does indeed close your mind.

Do any of my customers want OP??? NO

DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't advertise OP...LOL Try advertising No steam, NO shampoo, 1 hour drying and watch your phone ring.

Gmoney and  Diva I Think you are straight up LYING, I think you, Just like Ken want to make money off the pad and chemical distribution. 

Big statement and uncalled for, I got to know these people last week, and I am sure by why I saw they would embarrass you with your 1000 dollar porty. OOOPS that is right, you are too close minded to come and find out the truth for yourself.

look in the phone book... I don't see any OP companies

Depends where you are, maybe there are none in YOUR area, of course that is changing rapidly and if one does come there, you will know, he will be the one taking away your work and you STILL won't understand.

You need to convert every steam cleaner you can, so you can make money.

LOL, no, but many are being converted and surprisingly those who have used a TM for 20-30 years are the ones SELLING them and going EXCLUSIVELY Op. But that don't mean nothing to you, you have your MIND made up, sure without evidence or TESING or SEEING for yourself, but that is usually the case for those who call those they don't know LIARS.

If It's not broke don't fix it.

Like I said earlier...LOL, "Ignorance is BLISS"

I bought a HWE unit and I'd do that again

You have convinced me too, that is EXACTLY what you would do.

Padding for Profit..

Oh SUCTION I am going to have fun with you.

• What kind of 1973 100psi portable did you get for $1000.00 ?? 
• You might want to pick a large supply of rust remover to clean up after you old rust bucket of a SPIT AND SUCK!

I don't mind playing hard ball with the BIG BOYS

• who have been in the industry for a long time,
• who have a vast amount of knowledge regarding all aspects of this business
•  who have learned from years of trial and error
• who have "REAL" equipment regardless of there method
• AND who have spent more than $150.00 on chemical (we spend that in one two weeks)   SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE BIZZ???

LOL

Only method I ever knew about was HWE,  The only method any one ever asks me if I do was HWE.

And obviously the only method you ever will know

I know your type... your the guy who was down on his luck buying a box KD with your last dollar and suddenly saw the little 100 psi steamer that the grocery store rents out. YOU HAD A BRIANSTORM  hit aisle 3 and picked up some MICKEY MOUSE carpet shampoo, some store brand spot remover and all this with $150.00 POST DATED CHECK!  (has it cleared yet)

Let me tell you about having thousands of dollars worth of carpet care products sitting collecting dust that have been accumulated over MANY MANY years of trial and error in this business.

Let me tell you about a 20 yr old 100 psi machine that has had too many repairs to mention or about a 400 psi Micheals thats only a year old that travels with us to this day. How about the 20 yr old bonnet machine that kicks butt every time but is now retire. Then theres about a mile of hose coiled up and probably 15 or so old wands. a couple of blowers, some crevas tools and countless other items that have been tried over the years.

What do you know about;

•  driving 10hrs just to demo a product??
• 6hrs just to learn a new techneque?
• 100's of hrs researching, learning, EXPLORING new methods
• Flyering from 9pm until 3am night after night to grow your business on a tight budget?
• competing with the big dogs no matter what it takes
• and then finally.........

FINDING SOMETHING THAT BLOWS ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS OUT OF THE WATER!

WE HAVE BEEN PADDING FOR JUST UNDER TWO MONTHS NOW (most likely longer that you have even been cleaning period)

We have educated ourselves via the net and DIRECTLY from the manufacturer's and yet this wasn't enough for us. We had to try all the systems OP has to offer to see what really does work. We travelled to Kentucky a week after meeting with John G because we were so floored by all that he knew and all he could teach us. Even after that we did our own tests;

• We compared HWE vs OP
• we compared Bonnet vs OP
• We compared Bonnet with an OP pad vs OP
• we bought Pads and made pads
• we bought chemical and did all kinds of crazy tests
• Kool aide, Grease, Ink, nicotine water, urine you name, we tried it

AND YOU KNOW? Op NEVER failed!

We also recorded all of our tests and when we show our customers they don't mind paying extra!

I looked at an OP machine, the price is outrageous.  The machine, the pads, the chemical well over $4000.00 and I'll always have laundry to do.

You looked at an OP machine ... that was your first mistake MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE TRIED IT then we wouldn't be having this ridiculas discussion caused you'd be one of us. (but then again with your attitude you'de NEVER be one of us)

$4000.00  wow we actually got our first full system for less than half of that. Our second was about 2/3 that price and our third will be 2/3 that aswell. SO for that four thousand dollars you are speaking of, you could gotten your system and had enough left over to pay the bills while seeking out a client base. 

And as for the laundry, its really not an issue you see the pads soak while your out and by the time you get in you just pop them in the washing machine In the morning you take them out and away you go.(I guess for someone like you that is hard work) For us its well worth the fact that we now have better clients and less stress and strain.

Do I believe OP operators are getting the prices they say???  NO

Do I believe OP cleans better??? NO

Do any of my customers want OP??? NO

Gmoney and  Diva I Think you are straight up LYING,

SUCTION; Do we give a rats ASS what you think   NO

You see you don't have enough merit to talk to us

You have no experience and ZERO knowledge about the many ways one can clean carpet

SHOOT I bet you don't even have any calluoses on you hands yet

You are a mere pup in this bizz

look in the phone book... I don't see any OP companies

Actually if you have a phone book you'll see a company called ORECK they have had OP for YEARS.

You need to convert every steam cleaner you can, so you can make money.

We have to gain nothing from OP by converting anyone.

You see this is a CARPET CLEANERS DISSCUSION BOARD

We are carpet cleaners

we have had indepth discussions about all forms of carpet care not just OP. 

We defend OP and will promote its use only because we know how much it has benifited our company and well being.

The only method any one ever asks me if I do was HWE.

Maybe if you took the time to educate yourself about other methods you could in turn take the time to educate your customers and GIVE THEM THE CHOICE!

We talk to our customers, explain the different methods, educate them as to what we can do (Steam, Bonnet or OP) and give them a choice.

So Suction

You must be a very uncomfortable individual

It must be difficult talking out of your A$$ and having your foot on your mouth all at the same time!

Have a nice day

PAD DIVA NORTH

You have to start somewhere and a portable is a good start... it all depends on the user.

Truthfully these long post by team op shows that they insecure... all three team members said basically the same thing.

attacking a man, who's point of view isn't all that wrong...

this was one big shout down if you ask me

Well then lets set the record straight, then Suction is full of it,LOL

HE said he has a 1000 porty.

I read and responded to his post addressing what HE said and I don't care if he as a Vortex, that has nothing to do with what I said to him.

As far as DEFENSIVE? Don't think so, read your own posts, seems some of the HWE bunch just can't seem to get a grip on there being another way. Get used to it.

Calling someone a liar is not  going to recieve SOFT treatment, he was out of line.