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MR. STEAMER
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You can come with your OP, you can come with a bonnet machine, you can use a Porty.. you can bring another Truck mount... Hell you can pray for devine intervention MY JOB WILL STAND UP AGAINST ANYONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MR. STEAMER
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you OP'ers have taken the wrong approach.....OP should be sold as another weapon in the fight to get dirty carpet clean. Lee has 6 different weapons at his disposal |
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Adwa
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Doug Knock it off I feel like rinsing my hair. |
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doug
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ADWA: The oper's cant get along with the the bonett cleaners or hwe cleaners. Whats left? I guess powder and foam cleaners beware!
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Doug I believe it is the great debate that keeps it alive and spinning out of control. |
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doug
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Lee: There is nothing wrong with it as long as it is 6 differernt methods of either bonett or op??
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LilNiteRidrhood
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What the hell is the point of this thread?? We do 6 methods of carpet cleaning, is that wrong too??
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gmoney
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Not trying to convert you steamer, I know I can't teach this old dog new tricks. Was only pulling your chain about being enlightened. I guess the more a piece of equipment costs, the better it does the job. Saving up for that $150,000 truckmount that will suck the dirt from the bottom of the underpadding and clean the world's tallest restaurant (CN Tower) with its 5000 foot hose run You say you have invested too much. Think long term my friend. Anyways, my post had nothing to do about converting a tried and true HWE guy. No time to waste. Only mentioned a situation to introduce some customer service and pricing comments I had to make. It would have been nice to hear your comments on the pricing structure in our industry and your opinions on the 'low ballers' who drive prices down, and the issue of customer service in our industry. I would love to get all of the 'professional' cleaners together and decide on the lowest price point that we all go in at. Just like when you call a plumber or electrician and know you will be paying a healthy rate for his expertise. Yeah, Yeah, I know that will never happen so that leaves the select few that try to raise the bar and get ostracised for doing so. Since you continue to focus on OP and what we are charging, 30 cents is our basic rate. One of our commercial accounts pays 38 cents. And by the way price becomes less of an issue when the client views you as an expert, educator, and upbeat customer service rep than a suck and run specialist (no slight on HWE, it applies to all cleaning methods). You said you view your truckmount as a Cadillac, then I hope you are charging accordingly. My customers view my oscillating red ferrari as a Formula One soil and stain remover--that makes them happy. And they know it will cost more than if they purchase the Hyundai model. Work smarter not harder |
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PadMan
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NO need to convert Steamer, but at least equal standing, when smart ass comments about padding are made, then we get defensive as we SEE goes both ways.
It is the attitude of some that THEY have the method of choice, but my question is, WHOSE CHOICE? The Customers choice is more my concern than whether set in their way cleaners BELIEVE or care about what I do. So this is not SELLING but it IS about not having to take any crap for being a PADDER otherwise most ANY padder it willing to go out and embarrass you on a job. |
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Converting HWE customer to VLM customers for 30 Years!
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MR. STEAMER
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BTW... I really have nothing against rag spinners... but why do all these op people feel the need to convert me.??? I have already invested too much in HWE and I refuse to look back.... If pulling an OP machine out of your van..floats your boat then fine pulling a wand out of my truck floats my boat...and at the end of the day it's what makes the individual happy that counts |
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diva
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Actually he does... but thats not getting him these jobs. Quality work and great service is!!! Oh and the OP machine helps too LOL
BTW Thanks Ted I think I weird people out when I talk shop too!! PAD DIVA NORTH |
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MR. STEAMER
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Mr. Steamer will not talk about OP... and actually 70,000 is just a truck and a basic unit if you buy brand new. You say your getting .30?? or .38 cents.... wow you must have nice legs too Gmoney...lol |
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gmoney
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Steamer, "Ignorance really is bliss". If you do clean that amount of carpet and cannot get 30 cents/ square foot with all of your supposed experience then you just may qualify for the gmoney school of carpet cleaning sales! You know establishing rapport (shooting the sh*t), educating the customer on your method etc. No more suck and run. What's your rush buddy. No need to run around like a chicken with its head cut off. Definitely not duplicatable. We were running a two week special (30% off) in a certain area of the city and can you believe when I was finished the lady had the audacity to tell me I should really be charging more for my services. The nerve of that lady. You would have thought she could at least try and bicker with me and 'hmm and ha' as I told her the final price. Go figure. This rag spinner was truly amazed!! And by the way, OP is not bonnet cleaning. One day you'll learn. Ted might be able to deliver you on one of his upcoming sermons. Am I tooting my own horn. Hell no. Just taken aback by the comment on how many homes you do and your disbelief that people won't pay for a good job and a personable cleaner. You also need to take into account the market you are targeting. Yes, there is that dreaded concept you hate. Successful businesses target certain markets. You need to fire customers that are willing to hire you on price alone. That one step alone will increase your referall and loyalty rate 100%. Let's say there is 1000 square feet of carpet to be cleaned. Since 30 cents is a price you believe clients won't pay we'll arbitrarily say you and your company charge 20 cents. So you get $200 for the job and I get $300. In our quest to achieve $50,000 in sales at this average price per job I would do 167 jobs and you would do 250 jobs. Which is more attractive? Will I spend an extra 30 min to get that extra $100? You bet. Will I spend a little bit extra time on a stain and vacuum their carpets when I'm done? You bet. It's not rocket science. Will I spend an extra five, ten minutes talking about US election? You bet. Will this person refer me? YOU BET. The IICRC does not even teach this. Go figure, you can be a master without ever touching a wand or OP. Scary. But that is a seperate issue altogether. $70,000 Truckmount?? I didn't know you were operating a Vortex. You need to be venting your anger or concerns in this industry to the cleaners that cut throat every job they do to make money and or do not act professional or do a professional job. If I'm charging 30 cents you should be HAPPY. It raises the level of our industry as a whole. Or would you rather TRY and undercut me and offer the customer 15 cents, run to you next job and keep the rates low? Enquiring minds want to know. Cleanex I am using way less chemical than when I steam clean. Very simply, when you are using agitation the heat and strength of the chemical can be of a lower magnitude to achieve the same results. Steamer what is with this about OP needing its own section? We have already decided that pushing of a product can occur within a post (ie. Ken) and 'ask Doug' has turned into a running dialogue between you and Doug on every possible worldly issue. I'll tell you what Steamer; come out on a couple of OP jobs and you might just become ENLIGHTENED. LOL We can even do half the house or office in each of our methods and see how the customer reacts to both. And if you are lucky I'll let you use the BEAST!!
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Steaminpile
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