Bleach as an odor eliminator |
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Author | |
Grutzy
Groupie Joined: 08/August/2010 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 89 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: 05/September/2010 at 11:20am |
I think some of what makes me very good at this profession is that I have an open mind and try nearly everything. I have tried some of the super expensive odor eliminators and have never come away impressed with them. Even the newest ones with hydrogen peroxide are limited in their ability.
There have been times when I walked into a house and it was as if I walked into a giant urinary tract. Of course, it would be best to simply discard the carpet and pad, clean the subfloor etc. but some customers don't want that for varying reasons. I have found that a dab of bleach in your extraction water works better than anything. Of course I would also recommend water claw flushes and make sure you charge a significant amount extra for it. I would stay away from the $75 a gallon chemicals because they are too expensive and don't even work as well as a $3 gallon of bleach. You just have to be very conservative with how much bleach you use so you don't damage the carpet.
|
|
Sponsored Links | |
papagator
Groupie Joined: 07/November/2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 95 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Sounds to me (and maybe only me) that your luck will run out soon and using bleach will bite you in the A$$. Then you'll have to replace the custy's carpeting.
|
|
just swimmin in circles
|
|
Grutzy
Groupie Joined: 08/August/2010 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 89 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I only use it on disgusting, urine stenched carpets so liability is non-existent since the carpets should be replaced anyway. In addition, I only use a very small amount and there isn't nearly enough in there to lighten a carpet.
|
|
duckcountry
Master Carpet Cleaner Joined: 29/October/2005 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1082 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
But it is not recommended by the carpet mills, the carpet chemical companies and that justification is hardly in line with industry standards. The only safe bleach I know of if H2O2 which is found in some factory formulated chemicals.
|
|
Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity?
|
|
nightrider
Marketing Master Joined: 12/March/2004 Status: Offline Points: 4666 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Use a bleach for unbleachables, perfect for trashed carpets. You can also use a Non Bleach formula. The 2 mentioned will also save your lungs and eyes over long exposure.
H202, needs to be handled with caution, although it's many benifits from adding to drinking water to harsh cleaning tasks, it would not be cost effective in your application.
Nightrider
|
|
grimel
Newbie Joined: 07/August/2010 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 30 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Putting bleach on anything containing ammonia (urine) is an accident waiting to happen. All you have to do is clean someone's carpet who has respiratory problems. Even small amounts of chlorine gas can put them in the ER.
Bleach is over rated for almost everything cleaning related. |
|
When all else fails, read the directions
|
|
Grutzy
Groupie Joined: 08/August/2010 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 89 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Nonsense! Bleach works wonders on urine odor removal. What you are missing is that the combination of bleach and ammonia is only dangerous in strong concentrations, not when the bleach is diluted heavily in water.Mixing diluted ammonia or urea with diluted chlorine is not dangerous and in fact is what goes on in swimming pools and spas. The reactions are as follows:
2NH3 + 3HOCl --> N2(g) + 3H+ + 3Cl- + 3H2O Ammonia + Hypochlorous Acid --> Nitrogen Gas + Hydrogen Ion + Chloride Ion + Water (NH2)2CO + 2HOCl + 1/2 O2 --> N2(g) + CO2(g) + 2H+ + 2Cl- + 2H2O Urea + Hypochlorous Acid + Dissolved Oxygen --> Nitrogen Gas + Carbon Dioxide Gas + Hydrogen Ion + Chloride Ion + Water If you were to use concentrated solutions, especially of chlorine, then you can form higher order chloramines including nitrogen trichloride which smells really bad and is irritating and in sufficient concentrations, dangerous. We are not talking about high concentrations, so therefore you are way off the mark. Grimel, if you make another inaccurate post like the one above, I will stuff you right back where you came from, the dreaded Recoil Scrub Pit.
|
|
John L
Carpet Cleaning Guru Joined: 29/November/2004 Location: I'm Right Here! Status: Offline Points: 4013 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
It brightens up the tips on nylons. One of my slum lords always leaves
a gallon of chlorine bleach at his trashed out apts.
I add to prespray 8oz/gal. diluted your safe.
Thats the only place it is used. Trashed out and empty.
Dont really like the smell even though all the windows are open!
|
|
grimel
Newbie Joined: 07/August/2010 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 30 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
You can try to blather on, but, when you run into ONE person with respiratory problems I hope you are carrying enough liability insurance. Dilute/concentrated makes no difference other than it takes a lower concentration the more respiratory problems someone has. |
|
When all else fails, read the directions
|
|
grimel
Newbie Joined: 07/August/2010 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 30 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Respirators are cheap. |
|
When all else fails, read the directions
|
|
carpetologist
The Great Hardini Hocus Pocus Joined: 20/January/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1712 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Once your customer smells chlorine bleach you may get a negative call-back condemning you for your actions. If it works you will get NO call-back meaning you just gave them the formula and they will never call you back defeating your profit.
P.S. The word bleach to a customer is similar to mentioning acid. They immediately think that battery acid is an extremely harsh product. Back publicity and bad for profit. Profit is associated with Pro. The more professional you are the higher the Profit...plus because of your efforts in doing and thinking like a Pro you truly deserve it. |
|
Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc.
New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
|
Ken Harris
Grand Potentate Joined: 12/January/2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1120 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
This is the same reason I dont use vinegar as an alkaline neutralizer no matter how cheap it is.
I only use products that the customer can't get themselves.
|
|
Inventor of Teflon Carpet Wand Glides.Free Glides for all Cleaners in June!
|
|
Grutzy
Groupie Joined: 08/August/2010 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 89 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
The problem is that the products that you get from the industry do not remove urine odor and cost way too much. Only an imbecile would continue to spend $75 a gallon on an odor counteractant that does not work. Also, I do not tell my customers that I am using bleach.
|
|
nightrider
Marketing Master Joined: 12/March/2004 Status: Offline Points: 4666 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Sorry Ted.....Profit has nothing to do with being a pro at all, just look at all the oil companies, banks, mortgage companies, large retail box stores.....where's the professionalism there, they hire cheap labour to be their pros and customer relations agents.....imagine that $ 10.00 / hour PROS.
Kenny, funny thing you should mention vinegar, I used a gallon just last night to neutralize a floor stripper just before the sealer.....wow what a smell.....like a french fry festival.....know what the owner of the place said....." That's fantastic didn't know vinegar was good for that, then asked me if it was good to put in the sink drains..........guess what..... just make a customer for a long time.....he was paying $ 37.00 / Gallon for some other drain deodorizer, compair that to $ 2.19 Gallon for vinegar.
Nightrider
|
|
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Tweet |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
Welcome to KleenKuip.com's Professional Carpet Cleaners Discussion Forum!