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MR. STEAMER 
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 Posted: 24/June/2008 at 3:53pm |
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Duckboy..you so crazy and racist...
How many carpet do you clean per week?? NONE... bahahahahahahaha
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doug
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Posted: 24/June/2008 at 4:09pm |
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i see what I have been missing?
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Just My opinion
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Superglide Ken
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Posted: 24/June/2008 at 4:59pm |
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Earl is in his glory when he gets to be confrontational with people Doug, but it does lead to great entertainment,eh?
 
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Inventor of the Teflon Wand Glide and the Turboteck Rotary Air Duct Cleaners for TMs.
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nightrider
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Posted: 24/June/2008 at 5:47pm |
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The problem with this argument between DuckCountry and Mr. Steamer is that you cannot prove a negitive.............and that's what they are both trying to do.
On any different given day with any different type of carpeting using different sand, dirt, or clay will bring different results to satisfy both sides.
My suggestion is that they both get together, make a video of their tests, market it for advertising, and there will be alot of different buyers making the purchase to market their own cleaning agents, cleaning technics , carpet cleaning equipment or whatever.............THAT'S HOW DIVERSE AND CONFRONTATIONAL THIS TOPIC CAN MUSHROOM TO BE.
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Ken_Is_OK
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Posted: 24/June/2008 at 6:58pm |
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None of my posts were directed at FreshAire.
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FreshAire
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Joined: 13/May/2008 Location: Perth W. Aust Status: Offline Points: 251 |
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Posted: 24/June/2008 at 8:24pm |
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OK Ken_is_ok, my bad and apologies
 As for the point can I prove it? Yes, I can, and yes in all truth- why wouldn't it be? Here to share ideas and experience, not slinging mud around (unless it's for a competition on how much mud you can extract )http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll164/freshaire_01/1stbrmSerpentinevac467.jpg That is a job I did yesterday morning, 100% wool berber and cleaned a few days ago by a guy using a supersucker but without pre-vacuuming. New owner was sure carpet should look better as she had the same carpet in her previous house where she'd been using my services for the last 5-odd years. The shot there shows the result of 1 room's worth of prevac, and it was the cleanest room in the house! She had a friend with her that commented on how the carpet looked so much better and how "dry" it was after cleaning, until I told her she might wanna wait until I'd actually cleaned it before passing judgement I do also have a video taken that I made for a video presentation at a home show where the carpet changes dramatically in brightness (if I can figure out how to post it up) which shows the difference as well as test results from some work I did for Murdoch University's Dept of Environmental Science where they followed me around for a few days sampling before and after cleaning. What proof do you have Mr Steamer, other than your anecdotal evidence?  Edited by FreshAire - 24/June/2008 at 8:27pm |
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Ken_Is_OK
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Posted: 24/June/2008 at 8:40pm |
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interesting photo
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MR. STEAMER
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Posted: 24/June/2008 at 9:38pm |
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everyday life.... thats my got damn proof...LOL
I vac if it's really needed....
which are very few...
the pic you posted means nothing...what proof is that?????
you must be doing some real sh*t holes with customer who are as nasty as hell if you have to vac every got damn job.
it doesn't make sense to fight with you... pre-vacuuming every job is the right thing to do... if the customer will pay for it why not.
does it make a big difference I don't think so but thats just my opinion. Edited by MR. STEAMER - 25/June/2008 at 7:49am |
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FreshAire
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Posted: 25/June/2008 at 4:50am |
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What? Mr Steamer, you're gonna agree with me?
Pardon me whilst I pick myself up off the floor! I'm glad you stated that it is just your opinion, and to be perfectly honest I used to think the same way until I had it proven otherwise to me... as they say seeing is believing and yeah I do get to do some sh*tholes, but I find a lot of my up-market customers still benefit with a good prevac, especially if they have sisal style carpets that make perfect dust traps due to their profile. Fact is most people also only have barrel type vacs, no powerheads or even turbo heads, so no matter how much they vac they always leave enough behind for them to like the fact that I do bother to prevac and when they see the results, they are consequently are happy to pay the extra dollars for the perceived value they're getting. I win, cos I make more per job w/out the machine running or my truck chewing up fuel driving from job to job, customer wins cos their carpets do stay cleaner for longer, saving them money and prolonging the life of their carpets and I win again cos I have loyal customers who are happy to refer me to other friends and family; probably the reason I haven't had to advertise my services for the last decade I guess as the work these days chases me instead of me having to chase it! 
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MR. STEAMER
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Posted: 25/June/2008 at 7:52am |
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Never did disagree....scroll I just said the difference is minor and I find a waste of time. I don't prevac I pre scrub which I find gives way better results. You can vac a room 3 or 4 times and still pull crap out of the carpet.
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FreshAire
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Posted: 25/June/2008 at 10:18pm |
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yep, do both myself, scrub with a rotary scrubber after pre-spray or use drop tank depending on the job... prescrub, altho takes time in itself, saves a heap of wand time and heap of effort overall and gives a far superior result.
sh*t, there we go, agreeing again... you're starting to worry me!! |
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Mick Oz
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Posted: 25/June/2008 at 10:22pm |
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Frank i started to worry when Ken began to agree with you.
Mick Edited by Mick Oz - 25/June/2008 at 10:22pm |
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I'm a happy Little SLIDER
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Ken_Is_OK
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Posted: 26/June/2008 at 12:25am |
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you're dumping a lot of water on the carpet eh?
do you own a VorNinja?
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FreshAire
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Posted: 26/June/2008 at 4:57am |
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no, not a lot, just enough to do the job, dumping from the tank, if done correctly, will dry faster than prespraying anyway. I know I'll have guys howling down that one too, but there's a big diff between just dumping and controlling!
Prochem Performer is my choice of extractor if you must know and Mick... I was scared too when he agreed with me!! LOL'S |
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