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pilediver
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Posted: 11/December/2007 at 8:13pm |
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carpetologist
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pilediver,
As you may have heard me say before... Technology has made great strides in our industry with the exception of our wands and tools. We are stuck with the squirt & suck principle. We need an aerodynamic entrepreneur to look into a much more efficient wand. Edited by Carpetologist - 11/December/2007 at 5:21pm |
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pilediver
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Speaking of water (hijacked thread for a moment)
I saw this guy with a tank in the back of his pickup and asked him if he wanted to sell it - sure - how much - 50 bucks - well,,,ok gave him 3 20 dollar bills said do you have change and he said naw - just make it 40 bucks. Took the thing home and look at the fit. 300 gallons - going to have it shortened down to 220. (cost $100 to do that) it has two deck plates in it already. Needs to be cleaned up abit. Edited by pilediver - 11/December/2007 at 4:31pm |
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cmaster
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Yup. Lotsa water
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pilediver
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But man do I ever go through water - that part is a pain in the ass.
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cmaster
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Agreed. High flow rocks
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pilediver
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I honestly believe the having good flushing and vac power makes a big difference with HWE. Not all HWE is the same.
I recently converted to a high flow high lift system and it has made a remarkable difference in results in the heavily soiled conditions. I am using a 2" 5 jet wand with 02 jets and a glide and regularly work with 600 psi however on some carpets I do turn it down. Most would think that is a recipe for over wetting and subsequent wicking but in fact I am getting drier and CLEANER carpets. The reason is the angle of the jets and the closeness to the cleaning surface. With the higher impact and its shearing action on the fibre it is not driving almost perpendicular to the pile like most wands do. The extra psi is not enough to damage the fibre surfaces either. Because of the higher psi and volume there is an absolute necessity to pick the water up efficiently and that is why the 2.5 hoses are required as well. Cmaster and I will both attest to the major difference we have in dry times and pick up with 2.5 hoses. But the business end of my Greenhorn wand has made a huge difference. Having said that post bonneting certain carpets does bring out the best of both. I also clean with low moisture methods like Steamer and say there is a place and a time for both. Edited by pilediver - 10/December/2007 at 12:39pm |
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splash_$$$_dash
Carpet Cleaning Specialist Joined: 07/April/2004 Location: Toronto Status: Offline Points: 742 |
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I gots crazy wickback with a porty and a bonnet on CGD
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LilNiteRidrhood
Master Carpet Cleaner Joined: 17/March/2004 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 1257 |
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HWE + OP = no wickback.
Plain and simple. The elimination of the excess moisture retards the wickback. We also find that a final OPing of the carpet really wipes down heavily soiled yarns. Example: If you go to a do it yourself car wash and use 1000+psi, it comes clean but if you don't wipe it down with a shamy it looks streaky. I believe trashed carpet fibers need a wiping down by an OP after a HWE cleaning. |
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MrCoffee
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This is the first time posting here for me. However, I used to be a floor tech many years ago. What Carpetologist states is exactly what the company I worked for did. They owned just about all of the supermarket accounts in the city I lived in, too, and the truck mounts never got their foot in the door. I guess they must have done something right.
MC Edited by MrCoffee - 08/December/2007 at 10:23pm |
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PadMan
Dr. Low Moisture http://ccsop.com Joined: 11/March/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1032 |
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Thank you Ted, I do want people to know though, that I am NOT opposed to HWE at all, my point has ALWAYS been that there is more than one way to skin a cat and skin it well.
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carpetologist
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Thank you Pad Man for coming to our rescue. It sounds like you over the years have experience and tried most every method and came to your conclusion and decision. Maybe it is best we should sweep the scientific approach under the carpet and use what ever we feel personally works best for us and make us feel confident in our system and service and appears to put a smile on the customers face and a dollar in our pocket. I have never thought of or heard before the reflection and refraction scenario. Now that’s scientific and it’s a no brainier. Every one knows that water gives off a shine that many times creates an illusion. Moral of the story: Keep an open mind, nothing can get into a closed mind. Edited by Carpetologist - 08/December/2007 at 10:58am |
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In theory Steamer is right, but then again only partly.
I have driven all over the US doing this test BOTH ways. I will tell you that OFTEN carpets look better HWE'd than they do with OP..... no it doens't end there... They look better until they DRY, then the OP will most often look better than HWE. All that water makes the carpet refract light beautifully, however that moisture doesn't stay in the carpet, it dries and that luster is GONE. Customers don't pay for immediate beauty, they want good looking carpets that stay clean longer. ALL i.e. EVERYONE of my customers USED to use HWE companies to clean, once we have them, we DO NOT lose them as customer. Now at first we only tested with HWE then OP, the HWE guys couldn't believe how dirty the carpets still were, and the idea that two methods are better than one is a big fat DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course it is. HWE + OP does NOT = wickback, but often HWE = wickback, OP can eliminate wickbacks for you. For YEARS I used OP + HWE both ways, either HWE first or OP first, you can see what I thought about the HWE when you notice I don't even carry an extractor anymore. |
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splash_$$$_dash
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HWE + OP = wick back
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