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Originally posted by Ken Harris Ken Harris wrote:

Especilly up in Thunderbay.


Good $h!+?
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Oh yeah. All my competitors are high

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A good reason to go Enviro.



Your kids will appreciate it.

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I           don't           inhale.....................
 
 
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Not since they invented the funnel, NR?
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Nah, he eats the brownies. Benefits of being a restaurateur where the line cooks are high.
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My customers for the most part just was clean carpet.  That means looks clean.  They don't care how, any method, equipment or chemicals will do the trick.  Just give it to them at a price they like.  Right now, that's $89 for LR and DA or $189 for 3 bedroom house.  Telling them I use green chemicals might ease their conscience a little but it is no deal breaker.

So I am using a rotary shampoo process which cuts the time needed in half.  The only people that care are other carpet cleaners who think they have the only right technique but they aren't paying me and last I checked there is only one name on the business licenses.  So other than being an annoyance they are just sufferers of jaw flapping, a treatable disease.

Customers opinions count but only as they apply to the job I did (past tense) for them.  As long as they got a clean looking carpet out of the deal, I did right by them.
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I've found that after I explain what "clean" really is, my clients appreciate the time and effort put into cleaning their carpet.  They aren't so much worried that the products I use are green, just as you said, they want to know they have a clean carpet.  Many have tried other methods and weren't happy. I've been finding that a price on the high side weeds out most of the jobs I don't want to clean anyway, and if its a nasty place and they have the money, I'll put in the work and blow their socks off. 

BUT the cleaning agents need to work. On a trashed place, green is the last thing I worry about.  Even in normal residential, if I can't trust the soln to do the job, I won't use it.  I'll find something that is close but does the job. Till the manufacturers come up with "true green" that actually works, I'll keep going as norm.  2008 is shaping up well, PTL

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The last 2 guys who posted don't give a sh*t about their own health. For me, that aint too smart.

Use green for YOU not for your customer.
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Originally posted by splash_$$$_dash splash_$$$_dash wrote:

The last 2 guys who posted don't give a sh*t about their own health. For me, that aint too smart.

Use green for YOU not for your customer.


Uh hum- I do use green for exactly that reason.  In fact, I use ProChem's Axiom line and it is great to work with.  Check it out.  Sometimes I use Ecogent just to be different. 

But because most people think green means settling for a weak alternative I find no reason to make the fact that I choose life over an unnecessary early demise a benefit to the customer.  I only use harsh chemicals where the filth demands an unorthodox approach.

You assumed and you know what that does.  I presume from your defensive posture that you have your favorite line of green.  Care to share that kind of information?

Oh in case you are wondering, there is a carpet AND upholstery shampoo in the Axiom line.  Just thought it would be nice to mention that fact.


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I give a sh*t about my health and the environment. BUT I also give a sh*t about doing a good job.  Most of the "so called" green stuff doesn't clean worth sh*t, as yet.  Not to mention, who says the stuff is "green"?!  Green compared to what? Does it really biodegrade; whats really in it?
I use the safest product that I can find thats safe for me, safe for the client, safe for the environment, BUT it has to clean efficiently. 
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Originally posted by hcciam hcciam wrote:

I give a sh*t about my health and the environment. BUT I also give a sh*t about doing a good job.  Most of the "so called" green stuff doesn't clean worth sh*t, as yet.  Not to mention, who says the stuff is "green"?!  Green compared to what? Does it really biodegrade; whats really in it?
I use the safest product that I can find thats safe for me, safe for the client, safe for the environment, BUT it has to clean efficiently. 


Do your homework.  Get educated about what is green and what groups of trained experts determine them as green.  And then research and test the products out there.  In Prochem's ad for Axiom it says "We made it mean, then we made it green".  I know what they are saying because I met with them and got the whole story.  And I get better results from that line than I do any others. 

It is better to remain silent and be thought the fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.

Get informed then you are qualified to discuss green.  Otherwise you can bet a little bit of knowledge can be dangerous to your business.
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Yes, I can apreciate yourcomments based on info given here. However, to say I've not investigated is an ass/u/me tion on your part.  Last year at Connections Prochem had a seminar where they were praising and talking up the Axiom line, all the good points.  Later on the show floor I asked Joe (I think thats the Chemists name) what the "down" side was.  He simply replied "They don't work as good."  Now thats from the chemist! 

So its a lot of trials on customer's carpets to find something that "cleans".
Right now I'm using the O2 system and it works great. I was using Powder Power before that. Suspend free before that.  They each work but might not be classified as "green" as some of these others.

Whats that product, has a pic of a beluga whale? Thats probably even more "green" than Axiom.
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I have contacted Prochem for their side of the story because Axiom is so highly recommended by the area IICRC instructor.  But, he is an instructor and Joe (or whatever) told you he was the chemist which makes him the authoritative figure.  I appreciate the information, Ron.
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