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Originally posted by bryan bryan wrote:

Maybe you should stick it out.  If the smaller business get out the fastest, the ones most likely with the cheapest prices.  This will just generate more business for the bigger adds.  I have quarter page and seems to work ok for me.  Don't get much return in the slower months, but summers are great.  There are still a lot of people that don't like to use the internet, and door hangers you have to compete with lower prices.  So for me yellow pages has given me the most amount of work out of all the other avenues. 

    




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bryan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13/February/2007 at 7:50pm
Maybe you should stick it out.  If the smaller business get out the fastest, the ones most likely with the cheapest prices.  This will just generate more business for the bigger adds.  I have quarter page and seems to work ok for me.  Don't get much return in the slower months, but summers are great.  There are still a lot of people that don't like to use the internet, and door hangers you have to compete with lower prices.  So for me yellow pages has given me the most amount of work out of all the other avenues. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Michael Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13/February/2007 at 11:38am
Originally posted by Kelvin Magee Kelvin Magee wrote:

    What a waist of money. My ad has been in the phonebook YP (business card size) for a month & has netted me zilch. Word of month is the best advertising. Lastly I joined a fishing forum here locally & posted a discussion about carpet cleaning. (Offered the local fishermen a discount) 90 percent of my business comes from these guys on the fishing forum, because they refer me to someone else!!!!!

I think after this Yellow Pages experience, I'll just stick to specialized directories. But hey, that's great you found a good forum to get yourself business! Being a part of local groups and events is a great way to network without being at "networking events." I try to do the same thing--I got involved with a community theater company and met a guy who happened to run the local puppet theater. 67 year-old wool carpet. 800.00 for the cleaning and 250.00 maintenance cleanings every 3 months.
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    What a waist of money. My ad has been in the phonebook YP (business card size) for a month & has netted me zilch. Word of month is the best advertising. Lastly I joined a fishing forum here locally & posted a discussion about carpet cleaning. (Offered the local fishermen a discount) 90 percent of my business comes from these guys on the fishing forum, because they refer me to someone else!!!!!
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It is extortion.
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If the business world would wake up and show a little intestinal fortitude and turn the advertising tables on " THE YELLOW PAGES " with a twist by demanding a 3 month trial upon agreement of cancellation of telephone number should the trial period prove unsuccessful......Then and only THEN would you see The Yellow Pages change their advertising practices and dictatorship bully tactics.............................. just my way to vent ( I HATE THE YELLOW PAGES (TELE DIRECT ) AND BELL CANADA
 
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The Flip Side
 
I too struggled with Yellow Pages for years wondering if it really ever paid off. But I can see Yello Pages rationale in asking for three months up-front. In our market by the time Yello Pages hits the street 20% of the advertisers are all ready out of business. Now, who is stiffing who?
 
The fact is that our industry has a very low rating with the Yellow Pages business office.
 
If you are not sales orientated or a mover and a shaker in promoting your business and shy the Yellow Pages seems to be your only option.
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well you did great...you might break even
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your right. To make you laugh I did a small $80 permonth ad in the yp and to my surprise i landed 1 $250 job. She then refered me to a $275 job. I know that will be the only work I get from that yp ad though, but I landed two new cuties.
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The YP is holding up someones couch...being used as a high chair......some times a plant stand....sometimes a step stool...or it's in a closet with all the years gone pass.....
 
People only use the damn thing when they have an emergency....plus you have pages and pages of competition.... if your ad doesn't stand out from the rest you are toast....
 
full or half page...or just don't bother..
 
rule of thumb....... most people call the biggest ads first
 
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There is no doubt that YP can offer a return on investment. However given the opportunities with the internet and the "tuned marketing" that we have available to us from proven commodities like Howard Partridge and others I can choose to not rely on the YP like I was intending. The YP policy of new businesses paying 3 months up front is discriminatory and doesn't make good business sense to me. In my YP marketplace you have to pass 5 double page advertisements before you get to several full page advertisements. To get visibility in this crowd costs lots of money. For my market that amounts to spending approximately $40,000 per year of which $10,000 must be paid up front six months ahead of the books being delivered.

I think I can spend it more effectively by using a mix of direct marketing, customer base referral marketing and a well done website that is search optimized. I will still do a small amount of YP advertising because I have to.

YP books are becoming less preferred by many prospective customers in favor of YP web and phone directory internet and Google searches. Smaller advertisers that understand the importance of effective copy in advertisements and content on their websites can in today’s paradigm be on an even footing or ahead of the big dogs in their markets in the quest for new customers.   

    

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The better question is, how much of a return did you make on your investment?
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is 350 customers a lot????
 
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This is my formula
 
Year round Local newspapers, Internet, Mail post cards to my customers, Door hangers in April and before the holidays & during the slow months. I also advertize on the back of store receipts at waldbaums & stop and shop. I did that this year and got 350 new customers. I also live in Nyc I have unlimited amount of customers
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