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Originally posted by maxima maxima wrote:

Thats no Problem what so ever!

My thinking about the business now is the R.O.I. , How soon can a new cleaner expect to gain return on the equipment alone.

Lets think about it how may carpets would You have to clean to pay off machinery ranging from $5-9K

Thats a lots of dirty carpets And then at that break even point is the equipment still in good enough condition to keep on going???

Someone please reason with me or help me talk this out, I need to see some realistic numbers here because just beginning this can be discouraging.


 

You need to go and get more training in buisness management. If you are so worried about breaking things and if you will make any money you are starting off with the wrong frame of mind. 

 Go do something else like in a factory where you won't hurt yourself or someone else. 

IF you can't take risks in life go work a a dounut shop and serve coffee

 

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Max....how serious are you...??

if your starting from nothing you have hell of a hill to climb....

ok say once you get the machine.... do you have a customer list with ready to go custy's??????

if no the hill just got a little steeper...

So you advertise...how is the next question????

flyers on cars or in the mail box...photcopied by you and delivered by you??

Yellow pages....$300 to 5000 per month depending on size of ad..

Newspaper....oneday run or a feature series

Direct Mail

ALL OF THESE COST MONEY...

ok you get the calls...do you have someone to answer the phone?? or do you let it go to voice mail??

Voice mail...all you hear is click..I know when I don't have anyone on phones this happens to me....

say if you get the calls....

Do you have a program to keep you organized so you don't double book..

how many calls can you do a day???

say if everyone wants Monday??

man there are so many little hiddens that you don't know until you come across them.

Can I give you a dollar amount...HELL NO  but I can tell you this..if it's just a part-time thing most likely you'll fail...it truly is a full time job..

Good luck

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You misconstrued my comment, I'm not concerned about breaking equipment,  But did You know there is such a thing as wear and tear?

My concern isnt the making money part, my concern is the ROI, There is a difference.

I have a handful of other ventures to re-invest into, I decifering which will make a quicker return.

I hear about these 80K carpet cleaning trucks, Just curious, how many miles actually get put on the truck before You break even? Yeah You might make 80K to pay off the truck, But then will it be time to replace the truck or buy a new engine for it.....Thats a lot of riding around, 80K worth of carpet cleaning......


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Originally posted by maxima maxima wrote:

You misconstrued my comment, I'm not concerned about breaking equipment,  But did You know there is such a thing as wear and tear?

My concern isnt the making money part, my concern is the ROI, There is a difference.

I have a handful of other ventures to re-invest into, I decifering which will make a quicker return.

I hear about these 80K carpet cleaning trucks, Just curious, how many miles actually get put on the truck before You break even? Yeah You might make 80K to pay off the truck, But then will it be time to replace the truck or buy a new engine for it.....Thats a lot of riding around, 80K worth of carpet cleaning......


yes but they have a business..or they work for someone with business.....what do you have????
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Disposable income to invest into the carpet cleaning business if I decide the ROI is comparable to the other industries I'm associated with. 
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private message Mr.Singh and have a look at his Nordic 1 electric TM also

seems to me for the price of a good porty and accessories you can have an electric TM which IMO looks more professional than a porty

 

or...........if you can find someone silly enough to part with their Prochem Legend XL I've been VERY happy with mine

 

small workhorse IMO

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maxima,

Sounds like you will not be doing the cleaning yourself and will be relying on employees.

BE PREPARED

Suggest you keep it simple.

Sounds like you are attempting to get as close to a truckmount as possible at portable pricing. When firing up these overpowered monsters you will experience fuse blowing problems, awkward and heavy equipment for one operator. More to think about and more to go wrong.

If you already have a handle on 125 restaurants you already have the nucleus of a good business. The extra money you will be spending on labour and chemicals will more than offset the extra for a truckmount.

Go for the Mona Lisa, you will not be disappointed.

And don’t buy propane! Stay away from dangerous open flames. I am sure your insurance agent will agree.

Restaurants and truckmounts are like bacon & eggs they go together.

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If you are a restaurant manager and must stay after your already long shift for security reasons what would you choose:

A 2 hour truckmount job or a four hour porty job? The choice is very clear for most managers and if they are already being cleaned by a truckmount it will be hard to knock them out.

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Mona Lisa?

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Since i bought my TM I am saving many hours per month on my restaurant/resi. acct's..

And lovin'it.......................

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Ted has a great cimex...which will beat any tm on commercial carpet hands down.



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maxima,

I have given your new endeavor some alternative thought. That’s of course if you don’t take the excellent above advice.

Buy my Drain Vac. Perfect for restaurants and very efficient. Can be a one man operation and equipment can fit in a hatch-back or the trunk of a car for that matter.

You will have 100ft. vacuum capacity, truckmount pressure and hot water in restaurants is as hot as truckmounts. It can stay outside like a truckmount or be taken inside.

Drain Vac $2,495.00
Optional Cat Pump 2000 PSI $850.00
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Wand & hoses approx. $700.00

Canadian Funds
U.S. approx. 18% less.

You do not require any labour costs to fill and drain this unit and the cat pump can also pressure wash and allow you to clean hard surface floors like kitchens in restaurants. It’s sounding better all the time.

I would not be concerned with the Drain Vac sitting on the toilet because customers will not be in the restaurant when you are cleaning. And the dirty water gets dumped into a toilet anyway regardless of the portable you choose. With the portable you have to pay someone to do it, with the Drain Vac you do not.

I have seen worse things going on in a restaurant kitchen than any carpet cleaning machine in a washroom.



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Although I have lots of restaurants in my back pocket, I will not exclude myself from Apartments & Residential work. I need equipment with diversity!

I'm not interested in pressure wash & hard surface floors, At the moment!

Yes canadian funds = 18% less, But I will be slapped with Duty fees upon shipping the equipment across the border, that could make up the 18% difference alone

There will NOT be any employees at this point. I believe I found what I'm looking for in terms of equipment, I'm just waiting on members replies on a topic I posted in the truckmount discussion which included pictures!

Thanks for your suggestions.....That machine You describe, I have the hardest time NOT judging it based upon the descripition of it, Sitting on a Toilet!






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maxima,

Judging by your questions & comments you sound like a very cautious suspicious and fastidious person and there’s nothing wrong with that. But, be aware that the employees you hire are generally only hanging around long enough until a better job comes along. Most will care more about themselves than you and your customers and your equipment.

Be prepared for aggravating calls from those restaurants in the middle of the night. The nature of most employees is that they do not want the stigma of their friends thinking they are cleaners. And PHD’s wont’ apply.

This is not a fast dollar business and has its share of problems. (You are already in the “what if” stage).

The way I see it is that you are best to go the Drain Vac route for cost cutting, efficiency and simplicity. Utilizing your existing van that you have concerns with. It can be used inside or outside.

If you still are thinking portable truckmount. Looks like you can’t do better than the Prowler. Or maybe dougs advice is best. What if you look for an easier more profitable business?

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maxima,

One more option…

We have a 10HP 3 phase electric motor mounted on a frame with a #5 Roots Blower and a 2500 PSI Giant Pump. This unit is considered and In-Plant carpet cleaner for plant cleaning. No reason you could not take it in and out of your van. All you would need is a generator to run it electrically.

With this large blower you could clean faster and dry those carpets quickly and even operate two wands at the same time.

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