Detergent Free Cleaning Again

didn't say my post would be good... I just post

Jack; I'm betting there is some in there, and I don't expect either product will stay at it's current selling price for very long in any case. We both know that the main thing that determines retail selling price is supply and demand. Input costs are only a secondary factor in pricing unless the product or service enjoys a monopoly. Then the only restraint is what the market will bear or the greed of the seller.

It sure is nice to see that lots of you have opinions. That is the great thing about a BB. I tend to post only when I feel I have something of value to add so in the fewest numbers of words here is some info about Detergent Free Cleaning.

1. Almost all cleaning agents today include chemicals that have either known or suspected long term human health effects

2. Most cleaning chemicals offered today are based on petrochemical technolgy.

3. "Environmentally preferable" products try to reduce or eliminate the most toxic ingredients but they leave us and our environment still exposed to chemicals not found naturally in our bodies or our environment

4. The new reality about chemicals is that a portion of the materials you use will eventually become part of your body burden.

5. Detergent Free Cleaners only contain chemicals that are listed as generally considered safe for consumption by the Food and Drug Administration. In other words, they only contain ingredients that we consume evry day.

6. ECOgent is a tremendous leap forward in technology. We incorporate no petrochemical based surfactants - we use plant based and other natural ingredients. If you understand that normal cleaning products are incredibly toxic to whatever lives in water then ECOgent is many many many times safer. Detergent Free Cleaners contain no surfactants, solvents, builders, acids, or caustics. When it is eventually introduced to the water system somehow it has an aquatic toxicity that is essentially zero.

7. To put this toxicity in perspective if you use any type of disinfectant product (assuming it is quat based) then for EACH GALLON OF DILUTED PRODUCT YOU HAVE YOU HAVE TO ADD 4,000 GALLONS OF WATER not to have a toxic effect on a rainbow trout

8. Please understand that "green" cleaning should not be about the environment - it should be about health. Almost every green product that I have ever seen while it may have environmetnal benefits is still regulated under WHMIS and as such is not good for people.

9. Nightrider - I would be delighted to go public on the Provincial Government. The reason i can't tell you which one is that there is political "jockeying" going on and their expected announcment date is April 30. That will probably mean July 1. It is not 1 building, it is 4000. I will tell you that they want to specify only carpet products that meet the new CCD-148 standard. Because there is a dearth of products that meet this standard they will probably end up embracing CCD-146, ECP-33. Of note is the fact that they will not allow ANY PRODUCT WITH THE GREEN SEAL APPROVAL simply because this standard is so low compared to others.

10. I have no doubt that some will like DFC cleaners and others will think that it is stupid. Give me the bad stuff! I can tell you unequivocably that the hotter the water the better this material will work. I can tell you that CLEANEX has used this material for 4 months now and loves it.

11. Will it clean everything? Of course not!

12. What DFC really offers you the cleaner is a tremendous marketing tool from you to your customers. it is estimated that over 15% of the population is chemically sensitive today. This is growing! The smart people will have DFC available to use first to meet this demand and then figure out that the customers are really intetrested in this feauture.

 

I apologize for the length of this post - I will now go away

Great post Jim.

Thanks Jim.  It is hard on these boards to only post when one has something of value to post.

Unfortunately when we do this some of the posters feel they must rip it apart and make the poster seem like an idiot.

Than again it does take one to know one doesn't it?

 

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At this point in time all I can say is that every ingredient is listed as "suitable for ingestion." It is not WHMIS regulated

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If i may add my 2 cents worth here i would strongly argue that we as a Company are more open about our products than perhaps anyone else in the carpet solution industry. Our MSD sheets exceed all Canadian standards and laws - we disclose more than we have to by law

On almost every product i see eminating from the US there are blatant Canadian MSDS laws being broken. If i really cared I guess i would call the MSDS police but i have better things to do.

As far as your comments about Don - I think you are way over the top here. I have known Don for a long time and the reason we like him to test our products is that he is both tough and fair. I gusarantee you he wouldn't use anything that does not give him the results he is looking for