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nightrider 
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 Posted: 07/September/2010 at 3:02am |
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I am so fed up of all the know it alls regarding carpets, carpet cleaning and chemistry. How easy people get sucked into the big chemical companies way of trickery is far beyond belief . The schools are almost empty with no students roaming the classrooms for a tiny bit of education. Learn some Chemistry and physics and you too will be using alternative better and cheaper cleaning agents. REMEMBER.....the best cleaning agent is WATER..... and only WATER.....better still.....HOT WATER. But chemical companies cannot market just water so they have to add something to it.....ever look at the ingrediants to your so called superior carpet cleaning chemicals.....93 % to 97 % water
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Grutzy
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Posted: 06/September/2010 at 6:43pm |
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Most pre-spray chemicals are not anionic and I do not agree that they hinder non-ionic pre-spray chemicals. Most high PH pre-sprays are cationic anyway. Fabric softeners do not affect detergents used in cleaning clothes so I don't see how they would present a problem on carpets.
I have used fabric softeners many times and they did not affect cleaning quality negatively. Most carpets that are cleaned don't have any protector left on them anyway and should have it re-applied after cleaning.
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LilNiteRidrhood
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Posted: 06/September/2010 at 6:33pm |
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Most fabric softeners are cationic and will interfere with the performance of your cleaning agents that are anionic or non-ionic. These products will also interfere with the stain protection of the carpet.
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Grutzy
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Posted: 06/September/2010 at 7:51am |
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I agree with you completely, nightrider. There used to be a product called "Marks Off" and it was for ink, nail polish etc. It was sold by a company called Workmaster and in later years I found out that it was nothing more than re-bottled isopropyl alcohol. I am going to try the Tide when I want to use a detergent in my portable. However, sometimes customers have large amounts of soap residue in the carpet before I get there and I need a defoamer for those applications. Thanks for the tip on Tide!
Does table salt knock down the foam enough to control it even as it continues to come into the waste tank?
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nightrider
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Posted: 06/September/2010 at 5:42am |
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Grutzy.....Using Fabric Softener as a defoamer is scientifically sound if it is cost effective for your application. Adding a tea-spoon of table salt in your return tank is just as good. better still would be to use Liquid Tide ( He for front load washers ) as your cleaning agent ( some have Fabreeze in the receipe ) Tide does not foam up thus reducing your need for any defoamers.
Don't let big chemical companies tell you that carpet cleaning chemicals is any different than Tide. The active ingrediants are the same at a fraction of the cost.
Remember H1N1, when big Pharma scared half the world into taking the shot, all the while the head if the World Health Organization didn't get hers.......... same deal here.
Only fools and the uneducated fall into commercial marketing traps, like " Whiter than White " or " Cleaner than Clean " the best one is buy our soap, it lasts longer because it floats to the top and is lighter than the rest ( No it's not ) it's because the soap was mixed too long and created air pockets..........it was a bad batch, a mistake, an employee error..... but they went on to market a mistake into millions of dollars.
Use your fabric softener as much as you want, if you listen to fools..... you will only become foolish yourself.
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duckcountry
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Posted: 05/September/2010 at 9:01pm |
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I use chemicals engineered by carpet cleaning chemical manufacturers for the specific purpose of defoaming when I use a portable. I don't use laundry detergent to clean carpet or fabric softener to defoam a tank.
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Are you in a high paying business or are you just a self employed low paid grunt who thinks this business provides dignity?
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Grutzy
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Posted: 05/September/2010 at 11:14am |
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I tried a few different brands and found out that some work and some do not. So far "Gain" seems to work the best. Do any of you use fabric softeners on your portables and if so, do you have a preference?
The other nice thing about using softeners is that they serve as a defoamer as well as a deodorizer, saving you money.
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