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Ken Harris
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Todd:
You would think it would be, but it is not. A pad driver takes a fair amount of energy to turn. This machine uses a 3 amp DC motor for the drive, which on the face of it, is NOT enough torque to drive the driver. There is only 2 ways around that problem:
1) Increase the amperage of the motor up to 4 to 6 amps. That takes time to do, but may be done on the next model of this machine.
2) Reduce the effort required to turn the pad driver. That can most easily be accomplished by reducing the diameter of the pads so they turn easier OR the pads used can have a anti-friction medium applied to them that makes them easier to turn(such as teflon). Which brings it back to my area of specialty.
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DevilDogTodd
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What is a bit troubling about this is that they should have had the heads ready NOW.
How long will this take? I will buy the machine if they have a pad driver available for it. That is all I ask....a pad driver. You would have thought this woud be a fairly simple thing to do and they would have had one ready when they started selling the machine. DevilDog |
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Ken Harris
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Ted: I am working on a range of heads for that machine myself. These will be made available as aftermarket accessories when complete. When these are combined with what I know Cliff and Chuck are coming out with, this will truly be the most versatile rotary machine in the industry.
Edited by Ken Harris - 29/May/2006 at 1:48pm |
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carpetologist
The Great Hardini Hocus Pocus Joined: 20/January/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1712 |
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Michael and DevilDogTodd,
Spoke with Rotovac last week and sales are clicking. All sales people say this and so should you. Who wants to trust someone who is sitting on his thumbs waiting for the phone to ring. I like to do business with people who are clicking, clicking, clicking. It's nice to feel you are in the loop.
Rotovac tells me that they are working on a different 360 heads that will make this the most versatile cleaning machine in our industry.
Thumbs up for the Rotovac's ingenuity and brains. I wish them all well. Without the innovators we would still be shampooing by hand.
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royaltouch
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Ted,
This is very interesting!!!.......you have Cliff Monson posting on your site!
...and the RX-20 is King...on the same page
I know that Cliff knows what he is talking about...seeing he designed and is the inventor of the RX-20...and I also know, he's knows everyone that's someone in this industry...I pretty sure he knows JonDon as well...anyone taking bets?
Cliff and Chuck (aka the Monson brothers) @ Rotovac are straight shooters...that will and I repeat, will never leave you hanging.
kind regards,
Hugh
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cliff monson
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Thanks for the tip! We will contact Jon Don to see if they would like us to ship them a 360 for test.
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fibro
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Maybe you ought to talk to them Cliff I do believe they the are largest supplier in North America.
Edited by fibro - 28/May/2006 at 8:16am |
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fibro
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My supplier is JonDon
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cliff monson
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I asked my supplier today about the Rotovac 360 did not get the ringer endorsesment I thought it would. He said he did not like for tile and grout said he would rather use a spinner and for carpet said the Hydramaster drimaster was a better option.
Who is your supplier and has he ever even tried or seen the 360? I doubt he has because we have not sent the hard surface heads out to any suppliers, only showed it to them. All the suppliers that we have demoed have been very impressed with the cleaning results and have orderd but not yet recieved the hard surface head (back ordered) so I don't understand how your supplier could have formed this opinion. Edited by cliff monson - 28/May/2006 at 12:04am |
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Mr. Slide
Carpet Cleaning Specialist Joined: 16/May/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 979 |
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i apologize mr. carpetologist
& to anyone else i've upset Edited by kane - 01/June/2006 at 4:34am |
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Michael
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I dunno. Chem-Dry built its extraction method on RX-20's and portables, although they use truckmounts now (some do anyway). I use my RX-20 with a portable, and I get great results. No complaints. What difficulties have you had using an RX-20 with a portable?
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carpetologist
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Thanks for the check-up on my nastyness. I forget sometimes that I would clean a carpet for $20 when I know it would cost me $30 to do it if I needed the $20 that day. But the message I was trying to communicate was that the RX-20 (which is the King) has a percieved value problem and many are not even interested in trying it. It is also a little on the awkward and heavy side for a small fellow and should only be used with truckmount power eliminating portables.
I just feel that the Rotovac 360 will open more doors for the carpet cleaner.
So why not buy or at least try one so while I am going through my check-up you can be out picking your cheque-up.
Deal or No Deal
Cheers
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carpetologist
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Yes & No
This is a carpet we position at the entrance to our repair department, Its a busy spot where customers drag their broken and dirty equipment in and over it six days a week.
It is real world soil and dirt, because of it's positioning it soils rapidly and yes soil that has been in a carpet for a short period of time is generally easier and faster to release. I assure you first chance I get to demo a Chinese restaurant I will post it.
"I Love A Challenge" Edited by Carpetologist - 26/May/2006 at 2:15pm |
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Michael
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I ended buying a separate buffer even though I have the RX-20 anyway. The RX-20 doesn't perform as well driving a pad as my buffer, and the heads are so expensive! I'd rather cut the wear and tear on the RX-20 and have a buffer that's powerful enough to do light restorative work on a wood floor and perform encapsulation better when I need it. For tile, I can pre-scrub using the buffer with a brush head, and then extract with the Gecko. I may not be taking advantage of the RX-20's versatility, which is a bit irksome I suppose, but I'm ultimately able to do more types of work better, and it's easier for me to expand from this position.
Look at it this way: you can have one machine that extracts better that the RX-20--if indeed it does--and you can have another machine that pads better than the RX-20, and they add up to roughly equal cost. The only real downside is the room two units take up compared to one.
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