Whats the best port cleaner ?
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Topic: Whats the best port cleaner ?
Posted By: rakebreak78
Subject: Whats the best port cleaner ?
Date Posted: 05/November/2007 at 7:13pm
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Whats the best for the $$ out there ??
is rotovac any good??
are the systems in the vans way better than portables..
need some honest good adice.
Does consumer reports have ratings on commercial carpet cleaners??
thanks
mike
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 05/November/2007 at 7:30pm
It depends on what truckmount you are comparing to what portable. TMs are generally stronger and more productive. There are a lot of good portables out there, but you'll need to study each one and compare prices. The more power you can get the better off you will be. You can buy machines with 2 or more vacuums in them, plus boosters.
Also, you can leave a portable in the van if it's got boosters. ------------- Ken Harris Nov 08: "This will cause oil to rise to near $100 by the end of November. It stays up there to about the end of February. Better save this so you know who told it to you first." |
rakebreak78 wrote:Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 23/November/2007 at 11:45am
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The most powerful are:
Recoil series
Habitek Pelican
Eclipse
Infinity
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 23/November/2007 at 3:25pm
You forgot the Titan from Kenny. The world's most powerful  ------------- 
The STD Meter |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 23/November/2007 at 7:12pm
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Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 23/November/2007 at 7:25pm
In CleanCraft's newsletter they say the Eclipse "Quad 500" with 4 powerful vacuum motors blows away the competition.. It has the most suction power possible.. 
Anyone have anything to say about that statement..?
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Posted By: pilediver
Date Posted: 23/November/2007 at 8:40pm
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The TITan only vacuums money or credit card numbers. ------------- http://www.expertcarpetcare.ca>Carpet Cleaning in Victoria BC |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 23/November/2007 at 9:04pm
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Posted By: cmaster
Date Posted: 24/November/2007 at 4:22am
No BS there  -------------
The STD Meter |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 25/November/2007 at 4:08am
Yes, those vacuums are in series. Therefore, they have very high waterlift and 100 cfm (very low). I've tested and retested machines and I can tell you that without parallels you won't get the performance of just 2 3-stage vacuumes in parallel from a machine with 4 vacuums in series. When the vacuums are in series, you can put your wand down on the floor and hear little or no change in the sound coming from the vacuums. That's because it takes very little air to break the vacuum performance when only 100 cfm can be removed from the hose (some tiny spotters have nearly the same cfm). However, when you place the wand from a machine with vacuums in parallel on the floor, you can hear the vacuums change their pitch, dramatically. That's because all the air really is getting totally sucked out of the system on that machine. The drying times of a system in parallel is much less than that of one in series. I've tested this over and over. The series machine can't get the air out of the box fast enough. Anyone making a machine is better off making two stacks, if they're going to use 4 2-stage vacuums. The cfm determines how quickly you can walk with the wand. A machine can have a million inches of waterlift and you'll move no faster. |
Posted By: John L
Date Posted: 25/November/2007 at 10:32am
So we're talking hyped up advertising like most of the manufacturer's..!
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Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 25/November/2007 at 4:21pm
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The waterlift calculations are accurate if their vacuums have 147" of waterlift. So for the sake of argument, I'll say their waterlift is accurate, although I suspect they're using 2-stage vacuums, so 147 seems doubtful.
When you use a powerful porty or a truckmount you can hear the air moving through the wand and the hose. That's the cfm at work. When using a porty with vacuums in series, the air movement harldly makes any noise. So yes, it's all hype. Remember, the waterlift takes effect when all the air is removed from the system. 100 cfm can't get the air out fast enough, so they can claim they have high numbers, but it only works when they've got their hand over the end of the hose. |
Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 26/November/2007 at 8:12am
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Great comments, FriendlyHammer! very true.
Ed Valentine |
Posted By: carpetologist
Date Posted: 26/November/2007 at 2:14pm
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FriendlyHammer,
We appreciate your information and education on the differences of vacuums in parallel or series. Suprisingly enough from a person selling these machines they find that the newbie does not listen to reason. He puts his palm over the suction hose and makes his/her decision from there. Seems like everyone starting out feel that they know most everything. ------------- Kleen Kuip Supply Mart Inc. http://www.kleenkuip.com - New & Used Professional Carpet Cleaning Machines, Restoration Equipment, Training, Service and Supplies |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 27/November/2007 at 4:01am
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Yeah, you have to give them a 5 gallon pail of shredded packing peanuts to make the comparison. Something visual.
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Posted By: DeepScrub
Date Posted: 18/December/2007 at 9:25pm
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Which one is worth buying RECOIL 500PSI,OR THE NINJA 500PSI.bOTH WOULD BE HEATED OF COURSE. ------------- "DO YOUR BEST" |
Posted By: Ed Valentine
Date Posted: 19/December/2007 at 8:58am
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deepScrub;
They are truly two horses of a differnet color, period. |
Posted By: DeepScrub
Date Posted: 19/December/2007 at 12:12pm
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What? so which is the best? ------------- "DO YOUR BEST" |
Posted By: Johnsmith808
Date Posted: 22/December/2007 at 9:03pm
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So if vacs run in paralled are so much better for carpet cleaning, why
do most machines have them set up in a series? Marketing?
Easier to install? What would do a better job: 1)A unit with 2-3 stage vacs run in a series or 2)a unit with 2-2 stage vacs run in parallel? |
Posted By: FriendlyHammer
Date Posted: 22/December/2007 at 10:02pm
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It seems to me that the better selling machines are all in parallel, but I could be wrong. The reason that so many are in series, I believe, is that 1) there is a misunderstanding by those maufacturers what actaully works, and 2) if you want to sell machines it's better to have a bigger number than a smaller number for the customer to look at. If your vacuums are in parallel, your biggest number will be the number "200," which will be your cfm. If your vacuums are in series, the manufacturer will tend to have a number over "200." The question is, would you rather have -- 200 of something that helps you clean carpet, or more than 200 of something that stopped helping after 130-140? |
Posted By: Johnsmith808
Date Posted: 22/December/2007 at 10:20pm
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Very interesting. I know when I bought my Diamondback, I went for
the 220" of water lift. I had no idea what the cfm was, neither
did I think it mattered. Now I know better. So since waterlift is only really needed up to 140", and from what I've read, two 3 stage vacs can produce at least that much whether in parallel or series, then the cfm of 100 for series and 200 for parallel are the only numbers that mean much. Does that mean in this comparison, the vac performance of a unit in parallel is twice as good as once in a series (200 versus 100 cfm)? |