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Originally posted by PadMan PadMan wrote:

We could have agreed with that right off the bat.
 
Tongue
but you wouldn't agree that the problems with wickbacks are always there... you might think you have eliminated it with your OP but with the right amount of moisture it will re-appear...
 
This I can prove to you...because I've done it.
 
it's impossible to totally eliminate these types of stains...
 
and that stain that you fixed the last time with your op will be brought right back out the next time it's steamed...if you would be stupid enough to steam it again...but sometimes it's in the contract that way...
 
3 vlm cleans and 1 deep steam clean...
 
I've seen some real high traffic places like our local library...nothing works on that...ask LEE


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We could have agreed with that right off the bat.
 
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Originally posted by PadMan PadMan wrote:

Ok Steamer, I will play your game even if your childish temper is SHOWING a bit.
 
If I respray the next day will I get more dirt? YES
EVERYONE no matter what the method WILL GET MORE DIRT..
 
So pray tell, what does THAT prove?
 
BTW sucking with a 56 blower and NOT having a beater bar is NOT efficient or effective.
why do you ASSume that I don't have a beater bar?
 
why does that FRESHFART guy ASSume that I don't vac..
 
you've said all I want to hear...  I didn't assume...I waited to hear it from you..
 
the carpet is filled with endless dirt.....
 
dirty is dirty no matter what method... dirty OP dirty steam dirty bonnet dirty cimex pad
 
just many different shades of dirty
 
Thank you padman...
 
I'm doneBig smile
 
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Ok Steamer, I will play your game even if your childish temper is SHOWING a bit.
 
If I respray the next day will I get more dirt? YES
EVERYONE no matter what the method WILL GET MORE DIRT..
 
So pray tell, what does THAT prove?
 
BTW sucking with a 56 blower and NOT having a beater bar is NOT efficient or effective.
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Originally posted by PadMan PadMan wrote:

Ken, NO WAY MAN, I don't agree with the movement of that machine at all.
 
Thanks Ed...
 
Steamer, The best I can say is, me thinks thou doest protest too much...LOL
I don't sell, "better looking carpet cleaning" I sell CLEANER carpets. It really is that simple, and your getting excited and calling me liar doesn't mean SQUAT to me, come on down, clean with me, then when your tail is stuck firmly between your cheeks, go home!
You sell an evenly cleaned carpet...which still has a lot of dirt with in it.... I'm not asking you to compare it to any other method.
 
if you respray the carpet the next day and op it some more... surprise MORE DIRT...LOL
is this not true???
 
FRESHPAIR please don't comment Dead
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Originally posted by FreshAire FreshAire wrote:

Quick question for you Steamer...

Do you pre-vacuum your carpets?

I already know the answer- you don't as we've had this argument before. Padman does, that I know for a fact so he is removing a lot of the dry soil, which when wet becomes exceedingly difficult to remove, so where is the proof that HWE the way you do it is any better than what Padman does??

Learn to use the system properly and learn about how the system actually works after the clean before passing comment. Yes it does (the emulsified dirt) stay in the carpet, but vacuuming after cleaning by the client will remove the dirt, that is the design principle of the system. If you HWE clean whilst it is still wet after OP it will appear brighter of course it will lighten off - because the carpet is wet and most textiles will darken in the presence of moisture.

As for brightness after drying out it is a well-known fact that shampooing (which is simply what encapsulation or OP cleaning is an improvement upon) will consistently appear brighter than HWE - proven by the CSIRO here in Australia (an independent Government scientific body) when all cleaning systems were tested on behalf of the Australian Wool Textile Authority several years back.

Where is your evidence other than anecdotal or opinion? And have you ever cleaned a carpet after it has been OP'd previously? It will be the easiest to clean carpet you'll have ever done, guaranteed, but you probably wouldn't know or acknowledge that through either ignorance or plain obstinacy!
Fresh do you know what...SHUT THE F**K UP  I've cleaned more carpet residential commercial furniture grout etc etc etc.
 
we never had no kind of conversation.....post it FRESHSCARE...
 
I not only vac... I do it with a 56 blower truck mount before I do any cleaning..
 
not a little dirt devil like you....
 
if you don't know what the truth is keep you damn comments to yourself... I asked TAMPADMAN a question... which he has skirted around for days...
 
Learn to use the system properly and learn about how the system actually works after the clean before passing comment. Yes it does (the emulsified dirt) stay in the carpet, but vacuuming after cleaning by the client will remove the dirt, that is the design principle of the system. If you HWE clean whilst it is still wet after OP it will appear brighter of course it will lighten off - because the carpet is wet and most textiles will darken in the presence of moisture.

Yes FRESHBUTTKISS.... let me understand what you are saying??

never mind DUMB ASSLOL you make no sense.

 

it lightens off but darkens in the presence of moisture.....HUH??

Please don't comment FRESHPASSINGGASDead
 

 
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Quick question for you Steamer...

Do you pre-vacuum your carpets?

I already know the answer- you don't as we've had this argument before. Padman does, that I know for a fact so he is removing a lot of the dry soil, which when wet becomes exceedingly difficult to remove, so where is the proof that HWE the way you do it is any better than what Padman does??

Learn to use the system properly and learn about how the system actually works after the clean before passing comment. Yes it does (the emulsified dirt) stay in the carpet, but vacuuming after cleaning by the client will remove the dirt, that is the design principle of the system. If you HWE clean whilst it is still wet after OP it will appear brighter of course it will lighten off - because the carpet is wet and most textiles will darken in the presence of moisture.

As for brightness after drying out it is a well-known fact that shampooing (which is simply what encapsulation or OP cleaning is an improvement upon) will consistently appear brighter than HWE - proven by the CSIRO here in Australia (an independent Government scientific body) when all cleaning systems were tested on behalf of the Australian Wool Textile Authority several years back.

Where is your evidence other than anecdotal or opinion? And have you ever cleaned a carpet after it has been OP'd previously? It will be the easiest to clean carpet you'll have ever done, guaranteed, but you probably wouldn't know or acknowledge that through either ignorance or plain obstinacy!
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padman is this you back in your HWE days?
 
now i know why you think hwe - sucks :)
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Ken, NO WAY MAN, I don't agree with the movement of that machine at all.
 
Thanks Ed...
 
Steamer, The best I can say is, me thinks thou doest protest too much...LOL
I don't sell, "better looking carpet cleaning" I sell CLEANER carpets. It really is that simple, and your getting excited and calling me liar doesn't mean SQUAT to me, come on down, clean with me, then when your tail is stuck firmly between your cheeks, go home!
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I had an opportunity of seeing Johnny G's  Sprinter Van and "On-the-Road Equipment Display". It was quite a sight to behold; very nicely done. He has the absolute Best OP equipment IMHO, hands down.
 
And, he is a terrific Gentleman with alot of knowledge in that particular field of endevor.
 
Now, for Jack, the NightRider, I would suggest that he Special Orders one with headlights! Then he can change his name to: DayRider
 
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Padman you've just run around the issue...
 
you are talking in circles.. 
 
my statement was ...
 
the OP is a "look clean" machine.... 
you with your dense lying ass won't admit that.
 
I didn't ask you if it was cleaner than steam.
 
but you pulled steam cleaning into it, because thats the only way you can defend your "look clean"method.
READ ALL THE POST FROM THE START TAMPADMAN
 
no mention about steam in my post..until you brought it into the debate
 
I simply asked you..  what you tell your customers... the fact is you sell an even layer of dirty that "looks clean" but is actually not.
 
but you can't answer that...
 
now you've made it about op staying cleaner longer...SHUT UP !
 
since you can't answer the damn question... I'll answer it for you
 
OP makes the carpet look consistantly clean, it cuts down on wick backs and has a fast drying time that the customers like.  It is eye pleasing... 
 
 
WARNING keep hwe away! accidently taking a swipe at the op cleaned carpet you will find it still dirty.  the op carpet "looks clean"  but is not as optically bright as it could be. Rinsing does bring up the brightness... but causes other problems.  so to keep the customers happy just use the OP. The customer only cares if it looks clean because they don't know any better.
 
TAMPADMAN chemicals are rotting your brain, you need to get it rinsed once in a while...lol LOL
 
calling me lousy and dense
 
look in the mirror Angry
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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is this you padman in the video?

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Steamer, I guess in the end, you are just plain "dense". 
And calling me a liar is stupid, because I have willingly backed up what I say over and over throughout the years and spent a lot of money doing and proving it.
 NOBODY gets all the dirt out of a gravity fed medium, the question is who makes the job last longer, look better and produce the happier customers?
 
If you "think" hwe gets down deep and cleans, you really don't understand cleaning do you? What color do you think the water is that you leave in the carpet?
 
all you have done is bring me back to my first post to you...
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If you are a louse at Padding Steamer, maybe you are a louse at steaming too?
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If you are a louse at Padding Steamer, maybe you are a louse at steaming too?
If you are a louse at Padding Steamer, maybe you are a louse at steaming too?
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Originally posted by PadMan PadMan wrote:

 once the pads lightened up, I told them they wouldn't see any more wickbacks, guess what? They didn't.
Oh what are you saying Padman... the pads never became 100% clean???
 
I'm surprised... the pads only lightened up...
 
so you mean you still where getting dirty pads????
 
oh the carpet must have still been dirty
 
Thank you   so the carpet "looked clean" but the pads still gave you a light dirt..
 
do you know what padman....stop while your ahead..
 
the damn carpet only looks clean.... it aint clean  and you can noT pad out a coffee stain that is sitting under the latex backing..IT WILL ALWAY BE THERE...JUST WAITING FOR THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MOISTURE SO IT CAN EXPOSE ITSELF TO THE WORLD!!!!
 
YOU'RE GIVING ME HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE WITH THESE DAMN LIESAngry
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