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John L
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Fresh, You are surrounded by water! Why dont they convert the sea water into drinking water? Is this a Gov't controlled issue? Making the ppl suffer?
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FreshAire
Journeyman Joined: 13/May/2008 Location: Perth W. Aust Status: Offline Points: 251 |
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I'm talking about "green" holistically speaking Steamer, i.e. from manufacture to the time it hits the carpet and has dried out, in other words it's total environmental footprint. If we are to look at it that way, technically encap is greener and Ripit yeah, lately we have had a lot of rain... problem was it was all in one hit, in one day, in about 30mins accompanied by hailstones that took out many a window, flooded houses everywhere, smashed cars to smithereens and nothing again since then!!
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MR. STEAMER
True Patriot Only in the GTA Joined: 03/March/2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 14544 |
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encap is green???
it may say so on the bottle
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RIP IT
Senior Member Joined: 16/May/2008 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 154 |
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HWE is definately NOT 'green' but it does get more dirt out.
You guys in Perth have heaps of water ( lately all at once ).
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Dont treat people like customers. Treat them like friends.
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FreshAire
Journeyman Joined: 13/May/2008 Location: Perth W. Aust Status: Offline Points: 251 |
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If you are truly looking at environmental impact and "being green", OP wins hands down.
It does drag out a lot of dirt - obviously not as much as HWE at the outset but over time is far more effective than any other system. But the disadvantage with HWE is having a relatively inefficient power system burning fossil fuels and using massive amounts of water sitting out in the driveway, costing you money and damaging the environment through pollution of both air and water. Here in Australia we have had severe water restrictions over the last few years to the point where in some outlying areas, HWE was banned due to the fact that not enough water was available. Encapsulation however was, due to the minimal amount of water used. So, little water = negligible environmental impact, no impact on the air quality as no engine was running (and the power was already available through the power point of the property) - which system is truly greener then? |
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RIP IT
Senior Member Joined: 16/May/2008 Location: Brisbane Status: Offline Points: 154 |
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In that case I reckon a thorough pre vacuum with a Dyson ( or equivalent ), pre spray, rotary agitation, extraction with an emulsifier, rotary pad dry and acid rinse if needed can't be beat. ( with a petrol driven truckmount ). Whether or not all your customers are willing to pay for this level of service ( or indeed NEED it ) is another matter.
Encapsulation has it's place but even it's manufacturers state it is intended as a maintenance clean NOT a restorative clean.
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carpetologist
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I agree with RIP IT from a profit and time standpoint. But, on the other hand as professionals in this world that are on the fast-track of turning green should we not take it upon ourselves to knowingly remove the maximum soil and contaminates on each and every job we attempt to do?
Can this turn into a conscience issue? Now we can debate which system actually and truly removes max soil. |
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Michael
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I say pretty much the same thing for the same reason.
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RIP IT
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I makes no difference what method you use, as long as the customer is delighted with the results, pays you with a smile every year and refers you to family and friends.
Some carpets and some stains respond better to certain types of cleaning and having a debate about whichever one is best for everything is a pointless waste of time. Some customers only want HWE, others may only want dry cleaning/VLM. Who cares, give 'em what they want and they'll give you want you want. Repeat business.
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MR. STEAMER
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I say "it will look alot better...than what it is now"
it will look cleaner...
that\s what the people want to hear
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Michael
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Is that what you tell your customers?
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FreshAire
Journeyman Joined: 13/May/2008 Location: Perth W. Aust Status: Offline Points: 251 |
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Ok now that we're settled down and actually communicating, I'm curious as to the conditions where you state that the stain "keeps coming back" if you HWE after OP cleaning. Having never had that happen to me I'd like to know under what circumstance it was that you've seen this.
Could it be an operator error - previous guy's, not yours? Or could it have been a chemistry issue - let's face it, some of the cleaning agents being sold out there are far from true encapsulants and make things worse rather than better! Could that have been the issue in your scenario? And what was the staining medium to start with? It's quite possible that the OP system effectively cleaned the face yarns, but obviously cannot draw through from below the primary and/or secondary backings of a tufted carpet. Hit it with moisture tho, especially at high pressure and particularly on a 100% polypropylene carpet, and you have the potential for migration of the original staining medium from the backing, as the top surfaces may possibly have been wet through right through to the backings. If you'd have OP'd it again you'd probably have been none the wiser, but HWE does have the potential to create such a problem. So, was it OP not effectively cleaning, was it operator error, was it inferior cleaning agents or a combination of any one or all of the above...? Blaming it all on OP not cleaning effectively is a long bow to draw, I'd like to draw on all evidence possible. Prove my thoughts wrong Steamer and I'll thank you cos I'll have learnt something, but if you are simply stating an opinion devoid of fact, then I'll challenge you to look at it further yourself. Either way it's been a great debate so far lolz |
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doug
King of the One Liners Just My opinion Joined: 31/January/2004 Status: Offline Points: 32701 |
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Not really John it was entertaining and educational??
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Just My opinion
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PadMan
Dr. Low Moisture http://ccsop.com Joined: 11/March/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1032 |
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I coined the phrase many years ago, "that you can NEVER totally clean a gravity fed medium".
So this whole thread was pointless.
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