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    Posted: 03/August/2010 at 1:25pm
Just cleaning a floor of office space and noticed after 3 or 4 days heavy traffic areas were showing soil again. Haven't been using floor dryers as it's pretty dry up here, but this year has been heavier humidity.

Cleaned floor with clean water and no soap on friday with carpet dryer running. Found that a lot of areas had cleared up but still showing dirt.

We have been using prespray with clean water and agitating heavily soiled areas with nylon brush. Also having some issues with not being able to lift carpet pile. We are looking into an RX-20, but would love some more feedback.

Have looked at some encapsulation, but local dealer does not have a clue but has been a great resource on current procedure


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I would say you need a better pre-Conditioner to remove the soil if soil is still there when you finish. Source removal is still the best thing to do before you decide to hide the dirt.
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Definitely don't want to hide the dirt, would love to remove it.

We are using a SC Johnson Heavy duty prespray and local supplier does carry the Johnson line as well as ChemSpec. Would love a recommendation on product or technique to remove it.

Again, it's commercial carpet glued to concrete

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I used to use the Chemspec Formula 90 as a preconditioner with good results.
 
I would definatly ditch the Johnson stuff you are using now.
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Mrhooie,

This sounds like a wick-back problem. Are you thoroughly dry vacuuming before applying any liquid? If not you will be making mud and probably leaving some at pile-base as these carpets can be harder to flush than those that will allow airflow through the pile. Improving your wand technique or fitting a glide to compensate can help with this.

What can also help is to post bonnet within 20 minutes of extracting - you may be surprise just how much soil the bonnet collects.

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Thanks John, I am looking into a bonnet machine or the 360i to help with this.

It seems to be a combination of my cleaner not getting the carpet dry and leaving cleaning product still in the carpet. Needless to say I have let him go and am now looking for a new carpet cleaning staff member
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Visit vacaway.com and get the green version of Assassin which encaps and his green encap adding hydrogen peroxide to the prespray.  Clean the carpet with a bonnet only.  Do this only after several slow passes with a good vacuum to properly dry extract dirt.  After prespraying the area use a showerfeed shampoo head to power agitate the chemical into the fibers.  Now do your bonnet cleaning.

1.  Restorative dry extraction
2.  Prespray area with encap
3.  Prespray the heavy traffic area with Assassin
4.  Power agitate
5.  Bonnet clean

I personally use a mop bucket to get my pads infused with cleaning solution, mostly in the warmer periods of the year but you could just spray them first.  The worst spots should get hit with the pad first as they need an extra shot at times.  Follow with a dry pad.  Clean carpet NSEW like a compass.  Side to side then perpendicular side to side.
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Originally posted by mrhooie mrhooie wrote:

Thanks John, I am looking into a bonnet machine or the 360i to help with this.

It seems to be a combination of my cleaner not getting the carpet dry and leaving cleaning product still in the carpet. Needless to say I have let him go and am now looking for a new carpet cleaning staff member

Both types of machine are useful additions to your cleaning arsenal but they fulfill different functions.

A 360i is a good power wand. It will assist a mediocre technician perform a better extraction rinse and many cleaners of higher skill level use one because they find it less tiring than using a conventional wand.

A rotary or oscillating pad machine is probably the most versatile piece of kit you can own.
  •  It can be used with a brush or pad to shampoo (encapsulating or otherwise).
  •  It will brush in and agitate any pre-treatment prior to an extraction rinse.
  •  It can be used as I suggested, to post-bonnet after an extraction clean to remove additional moisture and soil to alleviate up-wicking problems and speed drying.
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I agree with John.  But I also believe chemicals formulated to address the specific issues are a component of a successful strategy.  However, as John says, the right tools for the job go a long way.  My father was a carpenter just as his father was.  They carried lots of tools, each on with a specific task in mind.  Without the right tools for the job, it's tough to get anything done.  Can't cut wood with a hammer.
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so do you find that the 360i lifts the carpet pile? the other concern i've had since I took over the carpet cleaning portfolio was that the portable extractor didn't seem to left the carpet pile and left "cowpaths"

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Lifting the pile is an important factor in restoring - rather than just cleaning - a carpet.

I find that the best way to achieve that is to use a CRB machine to agitate the pile after pre-spraying the pre-conditioner, then it is a matter of wand technique. If you cannot get the wanding correct then it is a matter of dressing the pile with a grooming brush.
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