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    Posted: 07/November/2008 at 1:28am
Here is the situation.  One room I did in a home that had no odor now smells of dogs and yet the current owners of the home never have had dogs.  The previous owners I am told did have 3 larger dogs and this is the room with the large dog door so I do suspect the odor is in the wood subfloors and not in the carpet which appears new.  It doesn't smell of urine or feces, just dogs that need a bath.

What treatments would you recommend using a VLM method or will I need to use some serious work using an extractor and a serious enzyme mix to knock this down? 

I can't see any way that any bonnet or similar system could raise the dead, that is what I might have seen with extractors in the past.

What chemicals would you recommend?


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Judson's Quat A Lot or Cobb's Microbial Deodorizer. Both have worked well for me on these odours. Spray liberally, let dwell for 20 min and extractThumbs%20Up

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Thank you for the lead.  I order from JonDon here is the states and ordered some Milgo SR.  I will try it with a bonnet and see what works.  Of course I will do a heavy spray followed by agitation and a 20 minute dwell.

Wish me luck - let you know what happens.
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Milgo SR is similar to Cobb's Microbial. Should do it for youBig%20smile

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Butane torch?? let dwell for 2 to 3 minutes?? guaranteed
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I failed to mention that this is newer carpet that was installed 2 years ago before it changed hands.This is why I suspect the new carpet was to cover up an underlying problem like a bandaid.  And since this is a wood subfloor my guess would be that rather than prep the subfloor with sanding and sealing using a coat of poly, they just installed the carpet and left the problem for the current owner.
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Cover ups. You gotta love emWacko

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If it is affected in over 20% of the area of the room it is garbage?
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Odorcide might be another one to try on the job. Works pretty well in conjunction with an encap product... just out of curiosity, what cleaning agent did you use and in the event of it being a "cover-up" as you think, did they actually simply lay the new carpet straight over the old as I found they did at my girlfriend's place. Angry

That being the case, introduction of moisture, on the wrong carpet (e.g. polypropylene or polyester) with adverse weather conditions could have all contributed...
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keep us posted .... this is an interesting one. usually if you don't get down to the source the results are
less than ideal.

P.S. I have enjoyed many of your insights lately Duckcountry.... your wisdom shows and the fact that you're not to big to ask for opinions says a lot about your character. keep up the great educating you do . we can all use some ...even after 26 years !
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FreshAire -  I used VacAway's Quantum Green letting the pads do all the work in a dry state, attacking the carpet N/S the E/W.  The room smelled fine when I went into it for the first time and it was in great shape, a newer nylon looped pile so I wouldn't expect anything.  It was raining that day as rainy season has started and won't end until May.  It smelled great when I walked out of the room and when I went back after the entire job was done.  Even with fans going, the cold temps of mid 40s and humidity of 0% turned this into a 4 hour drying time which probably allowed a wicking of the organic smells found in the subfloor to wick through the padding and onto the carpet.  HWE would possibly have made matters worse is my suspicion.
I did do a urine treatment when she called me back out saying a cat got onto the carpet after I cleaned.  I used the UV light and identified 6 spots that a male cat sprayed  or urinated on but this smell is nothing like cat urine or any urine for that matter.  I checked those spots after cleaning them to make sure the only smell was wet carpet.  I love using the waterclaw and the chemical I used was OSR from ProChoice.

doug - I think this was the previous owner's dogs room where they spent most of their time and what I am smelling is wet german sheperds that need a bath.  I was raised around cats and dogs and .... o yeah, it smells like the inside of a dog house.  My guess is from the strength of the odor now, those dogs laid wherever they wanted. 

danmarck82 - thank you, I will share the results.  JonDon has the chemical scheduled for UPS Delivery this coming Monday.  I have been cleaning myself since 1971 when we cleaned by shampooing using coconut oil based products on wool, woven cotton and polyester back then and I can say without hesitation that I am pleasantly surprised by the challenges some jobs offer.  In fact, I think it would be safe to say that I will go to my grave having not experienced every 'what-if' our industry will have to offer.

I enjoy this board way more than I could ever enjoy Mikey's not to say THAT is a bad board but the caliber of people here and the willingness to share thoughts and ideas with everyone new and tested is above reproach and has no rival in my book.  I have been on others, the experience and willingness to share without requiring a payment is here, the others either have less experienced members, members who talk down to anyone asking a question or they require  a membership to get any value. 



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Hey Duck, try coming across to http://www.australianforums.biz

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I'll give them a try too.  Thanks, FreshAire.
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BTW Duck, you mentioned before it was 0% humidity? Do you mean 100% RH as at 0% it would dry extremely quickly even in the coldest weather as that would mean there was no moisture in the atmosphere! I remember seeing a documentary on the Antarctic with a centuries mummified penguin having been discovered, completely dessicated in spite of the sub-zero temps, as with that extreme cold the water simply solidifies straight out of the atmosphere resulting in extremely dry (0% RH) air. The air movement therefore was enough to completely mummify the penguin and preserve it!

Back to your problem at hand then, have heard of a problem here in the past where the slow dry in extremely high humidity combined with a perfume in the cleaning agent involved caused an offensive "wet dog odour" in spite of there having never been an animal even in the property before. The perfume was very easily bio-degraded and thus had started doing just that well before any moisture the tech had put in managed to dry off. That combined with enough moisture in the atmosphere to keep the bio-degradation in process gave rise to a horribly funky "doggy" smell.

Manufacturer came to the rescue by simply changing the perfume used and re-cleaning, and the smell magically disappeared!! Might pay to talk to your chem supplier about it as well?
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